Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch • Hacker News Board

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by mlindner » Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 2:09 AM UTC

ceejayoz wrote: post #39

Dolores12 wrote: post #32

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There are few good points tho. For example: >Our Soyuz MS has proven to be the world’s most reliable spacecraft. We have a unique record of 173 successful flights. Even the three emergencies caused by the carrier rocket failures in 1975, 1983 and 2018 occurring during various injection stages showed its unique survivability due to the launch escape system reliability. By the way, the Soyuz rocket of various configura…

> If SpaceX to launch 5 launches per year it would take 35 years to prove same kind of reliability. I mean, sure, but they've done nine this year so far already, and have plans to launch upwards of 30 by the end.

Yes but the rocket between them is identical, which is historically the most dangerous part of space travel.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by mlindner » Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 2:09 AM UTC

avmich wrote: post #101

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #47

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They are planning for around 30 launches in 2020, and 50 in 2021

No they are not. Here the matter is crewed launches, and SpaceX isn't going to launch 30 manned Crew Dragons this year, or next year, or these two years together.

The rocket between them is identical, which is historically the most dangerous part of space travel.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by Nginx487 » Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 7:31 AM UTC

fastball wrote: post #50

cs702 wrote: post #4

Wow, there's so much... negativity in this post by Rogozin. It reads like "sour grapes": " Driven by hunger, a fox tried to reach some grapes hanging high on the vine but was unable to, although it leaped with all its strength. As it went away, the fox remarked 'Oh, you aren't even ripe yet! I don't need any sour grapes.'" [a] People who speak disparagingly of the accomplishments of others would do well to apply this…

Is that surprising? Russia and America don't exactly get along, and I can't remember the last time I read anything where Russians employed by the state had something nice to say about the US.

I would say, for many state-employed Russians saying terrible things about the US is a primary responsibility, especially in a Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by Nginx487 » Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 7:42 AM UTC

mlindner wrote: post #110

myth_drannon wrote: post #20

Sadly Russia culturally and technologically is not a successor to USSR. Its space program is in shambles. Soyuz was designed in the '60s and Russia's space program can't offer anything new. That happens when you pay your engineers 150$ per month(floor cleaner at McDonald's makes $250) while Rogozin gets 400k$ per year (that's only the official number...), double of what NASA director makes. Humanity needs a way to ac…

> Sadly Russia culturally and technologically is not a successor to USSR. I think that's a very very good thing for all the atrocities that Soviet Russia committed on it's populace and especially the populace of the various Republics.

Exactly what I wanted to say, so I would add some. Thanks to poor performance of Russian space and defense industries, US may consider new Cold War (call it Cold War II) not very seriously, while in 60-70s USSR achievements never let their competitors relax. Maybe it was not that bad in the end, these hardships led to new technological achievements of the time, like Space Shuttle program.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by mD5pPxMcS6fVWKE » Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 8:52 AM UTC

myth_drannon wrote: post #20

Sadly Russia culturally and technologically is not a successor to USSR. Its space program is in shambles. Soyuz was designed in the '60s and Russia's space program can't offer anything new. That happens when you pay your engineers 150$ per month(floor cleaner at McDonald's makes $250) while Rogozin gets 400k$ per year (that's only the official number...), double of what NASA director makes. Humanity needs a way to ac…

Rogozin makes much much more by the way of taking bribes from contractors.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by ceejayoz » Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 4:48 PM UTC

mlindner wrote: post #111

ceejayoz wrote: post #39

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> If SpaceX to launch 5 launches per year it would take 35 years to prove same kind of reliability. I mean, sure, but they've done nine this year so far already, and have plans to launch upwards of 30 by the end.

Yes but the rocket between them is identical, which is historically the most dangerous part of space travel.

You can slice and dice the numbers in many different ways.

Russia is gonna put heavy emphasis on the long history of the Soyuz family. SpaceX is gonna point out things like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_MS-09#Air_leak ("A 2 mm hole in the orbital module was discovered, later stated to have been 'hidden with a low-quality patch job.'") and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_MS-10 ("aborted shortly after launch on 11 October 2018 due to a failure of the Soyuz-FG launch vehicle boosters") as a counterpoint.

Ultimately, Russia can comfortably say "we're pretty good at doing rocket launches". SpaceX is getting there themselves.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by Nginx487 » Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 5:12 PM UTC

atomashpolskiy wrote: post #98

Nginx487 wrote: post #93

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This thread is a discussion of a particular article of a particular hysterical Russian official. You're trying to turn it into a clown show in a Roskosmos Twitter style: "We are Russians, god with us", "We did not start WWII in 1939", proving most of commentators here right. Glad you joined us on HN, Mr.Rogozin.

Comments here are going very far beyond discussing a "particular article", including you specifically, who is a (maybe former) Russian citizen. Replying to you feels like stepping in a pile of crap, but God asked us to be kind and wise, so I'll tolerate my disgust for a moment and tell you: Please, be ashamed of youself. And STFU.

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Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by dang » Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 8:21 PM UTC

Nginx487 wrote: post #117

atomashpolskiy wrote: post #98

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Comments here are going very far beyond discussing a "particular article", including you specifically, who is a (maybe former) Russian citizen. Replying to you feels like stepping in a pile of crap, but God asked us to be kind and wise, so I'll tolerate my disgust for a moment and tell you: Please, be ashamed of youself. And STFU.

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Using HN for flamewar like this will get you banned here, so please don't.

More generally, please stop posting nationalistic flamebait to HN. You've unfortunately done that quite a bit, and it's not ok. I understand that being an immigrant from a country is a special case, more complex than simple prejudice, but the internet doesn't handle such nuances.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by dang » Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 8:22 PM UTC

atomashpolskiy wrote: post #98

Nginx487 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This thread is a discussion of a particular article of a particular hysterical Russian official. You're trying to turn it into a clown show in a Roskosmos Twitter style: "We are Russians, god with us", "We did not start WWII in 1939", proving most of commentators here right. Glad you joined us on HN, Mr.Rogozin.

Comments here are going very far beyond discussing a "particular article", including you specifically, who is a (maybe former) Russian citizen. Replying to you feels like stepping in a pile of crap, but God asked us to be kind and wise, so I'll tolerate my disgust for a moment and tell you: Please, be ashamed of youself. And STFU.

Please don't react to a bad comment by posting a worse one. That just poisons this place even further, and the site guidelines specifically ask users not to do that, no matter how provocative another comment may be.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by dang » Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 8:26 PM UTC

Nginx487 wrote: post #93

atomashpolskiy wrote: post #54

I don't like this person (and our officials in general), but I feel compelled to say, that I find the mockery of his points and all things Russian (in this thread and overall) absolutely disgusting and borderline insulting. Sadly, it's quite typical. The most atrocious example of this mentality is (still, after so many years) US propagandist efforts to make everyone believe, that their participation in the WWII was d…

This thread is a discussion of a particular article of a particular hysterical Russian official. You're trying to turn it into a clown show in a Roskosmos Twitter style: "We are Russians, god with us", "We did not start WWII in 1939", proving most of commentators here right. Glad you joined us on HN, Mr.Rogozin.

Please do not take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar. That is not what this site is for. It got much worse downthread, so please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23492947.