Please influence the board to stop caving into censorship and let Reddit return to its free thinking roots. As ever expansive “hate speech” policies take root, the website is being co-opted to reflect just one worldview - that of the progressive left. This is dangerous and unwelcoming.
Reddit Welcomes Michael Seibel to Board of Directors
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#162I am sorry for him. I know as a fact that he’s brilliant and fully deserves the position, but given the circumstances (Ohanian resigning and calling for someone black to replace him) he will always have to live with people having the reasonable doubt that he didn’t arrive there for merit alone.
NOBODY gets board positions based on merit. For an extreme case, see the Theranos board.
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#163To be fair to Reddit, they've had non-white people on the board before. Like Ellen Pao (who drove me off the platform).
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just because Ohanian asked doesn't mean they had to do it. One can therefore conclude that they still chose a suitable candidate and would have chosen a differently colored candidate could they not find a suitable black candidate.
Reddit publicly committed to selecting a director based on race.[0] Hiring and firing in the US based on race is typically unlawful, even if the candidate is qualified. You can’t use race as a qualification. It’s a challenge to the laws, and I assume Reddit(or Conde Nast) wants to raise it. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&...
It's worse than just illegal, now that they announced that, everyone will assume his skin color is the only reason he was appointed (or at least a major factor) - despite an impressive resume.
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#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
Anyone that remotely thinks that is an idiot. Michael is a fucking force of nature and one of the most impressive people you will ever meet. Seriously, if that thought ever comes up in your presence attack it head on because the person expressing it needs a big fucking gut check. Honestly, even you saying this is BS.
That’s not about Michael, we both agree on his outstanding qualifications and on the fact that he fully deserved the job. That’s about hirings based (also) on skin color rather than merit alone.
BS. the passive aggressive argument used to undermine efforts to build more representative colleges, companies, and institutions is just a subtle form of racism that doesn't get applied to white people. I don't really see people make the same argument about hiring legacy applicants, college friends, or former coworkers, all of which tend to be similar people demographics. Sure maybe it isn't explicit racial bias but if the decision maker is selecting from a pool of already racially filtered candidates the effect is the same.
So yes, it is about Michael because he has to deal with this crap of people "just asking the question".
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#166Serious question - since Ohanian has publicly stated that he urged the board to replace him with black candidate, is there a possibility that could face an EEOC charge? Perhaps this doesn’t apply, as there may not be “applicants” depending upon how their bylaws are set up - without applicants I’m not sure who would have standing.
No For one thing a board position isn't a job. Also for some reason whenever a company tries to fight discrimination some people accuse them of discrimination, it's wierd
It’s kind of hard to argue that excluding candidates based on the color of their skin isn’t discrimination. Keep in mind that black folks aren’t the only minority in the US. All the rest just got a giant middle finger.
Now you can rationalize it by saying that this was bringing some balance the representation on the board, which is also true. That’s fair. But it’s still discrimination.
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#167Dear Reddit, for the love of Mike .. PLEASE treat reddit as a web-first platform. You are killing the golden goose by trying to force people toward the app - by gradually removing features and usability from the mobile web site and constantly reminding people they "should" use the app. I don't want reddit as an 'app', I want reddit to be readable/scrollable on mobile and web without any form of coercion.
>You are killing the golden goose by trying to force people toward the app I think this is the the type of requests that shows the disconnect between the HN crowd and real users. The majority of users will use the app. It's entirely in reddit's benefit to push the app, that's where they have complete control and can add more tracking and ads without the hindrance of ad/tracking blockers. old.reddit.com is all I use b…
Reddit is smarter than digg though - they know they need to keep their legacy and leader users happy - because once influencers (real ones, not Instagram users) leave the site will stop being culturally relevant.
The fact they’ve kept the old site still running for so long (4 years now?) I think it evidence they’ll keep it around. I don’t think it’s costing them anything.
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#168Dear Reddit, for the love of Mike .. PLEASE treat reddit as a web-first platform. You are killing the golden goose by trying to force people toward the app - by gradually removing features and usability from the mobile web site and constantly reminding people they "should" use the app. I don't want reddit as an 'app', I want reddit to be readable/scrollable on mobile and web without any form of coercion.
>You are killing the golden goose by trying to force people toward the app I think this is the the type of requests that shows the disconnect between the HN crowd and real users. The majority of users will use the app. It's entirely in reddit's benefit to push the app, that's where they have complete control and can add more tracking and ads without the hindrance of ad/tracking blockers. old.reddit.com is all I use b…
Yeah, I asked my girlfriend some question about reddit, and she said "I don't know, I just use the app."
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#169Being a republican, I'm scared of the leadership choices social platforms are making. Michael Seibel is a pro-Democrat and anti republican and anti-Trump.
For god sake, allow reddit to have free-speech and don't censor the voices of "silent majority" in the USA.
P.S 60M American citizens voted for Trump.
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#170I am sorry for him. I know as a fact that he’s brilliant and fully deserves the position, but given the circumstances (Ohanian resigning and calling for someone black to replace him) he will always have to live with people having the reasonable doubt that he didn’t arrive there for merit alone.
This is one of the underlying problems with affirmative action in recruiting and employment. The question that’s difficult to answer is if the end justifies the means. It probably does, but it’s not always clear.