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After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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Re: After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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Alt account for obvious reasons.

In 2003 I was sentenced to 6 years in a Texas prison. The how and why isn't relevant, other than to say it was a terrible mistake I made seven years prior. At that point, I was about 5 years into my tech career. I wasn't in there for a "hacker" crime, so I was in general population, and had more freedom than the author did.

As for prison conditions, not much I can add to the conversation. It was hot, miserable, crowded, things we all know about. No real opportunity to improve yourself; you mostly have to focus into your own little niche and do what you can to keep yourself safe and maintain who you are as a person (it's easy to lose yourself in "prison games")

Served a full six year sentence, despite never getting trouble. Parole release for "good behavior" is a cliche.

During my time there, my wife divorced me and my father passed away.

There was some adjustment upon getting out. (2009) However, the first couple of computers I used were actually running XP, so that was an easy adjustment. I think the biggest adjustment was how much more prominent mobile device use was (in 2003 I think I only received a text from one person ever, on my fancy monochrome flip phone). From a development standpoint, gettting used to AJAX was interesting, but to be honest, I did my best to keep up in prison, with a handful of books I had sent to me.

I remember the first line of code I wrote, in a language I considered myself and expert in. It felt familiar, but like I was pulling memories from a fog. Eventually, the "muscle memory" of working in the language came back, but I can see how it could be very frustrating for someone who was out of the loop longer than I was.

First job was a remote role, $20 an hour. Some previous writings I still had online sold the employer on my knowledge, and I actually beat out 4 people in the interview. I was able to leverage some relationship I had before, get some additional remote gigs, and continue to build my income and my life back up.

I was actually to be quite successful that way, building up my network, finding contracting. Of course, I have constraints: traditional employers are typically not an option, which includes most w2 contracting roles. I've had to keep learning of course, and have more flexibility than the usual person who can carve out a niche in one main technology or stack. However, I could work around the issues of having a felony conviction and maintain a market-level income. I've even had a couple of situations where I did have to discuss my past and was able to work through it. (Again, sticking to strict 1099 contracting, and small companies is the key) However, contracting is no longer a need: through my personal connections, I was able to turn was one of my gigs into a full time significant role with all of the full time income and benefits advantages you'd hope for.

I don't mean to diminish the challenges that many face, but I just wanted to point out that a lot of presumptions aren't automatically true.

Re: After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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I recently had someone in a restroom ask me how to flush the toilet. The toilets had IR sensors and flushed automatically. This person had been in prison for many years and had never seen that before. I think part of the social reform that people are protesting for recently needs to extend to people in prison. Our system does nothing to rehabilitate people or to prepare them to re-enter society. We need to treat pris…

FWIW, the rest of the world considers prison sentences in the US to be absurdly long. This guy apparently got 10 years for hacking; in much of Europe, you'd get less than that for murder.

> in much of Europe, you'd get less than that for murder

Citation needed.

Re: After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>has it really changed that much in 10 years Yes (although I'd probably put the real dividing line at more like 12 years). Facebook wasn't available outside of certain institutions until 2006, the same year Twitter dates to. The iPhone was first introduced in 2007 and arguably didn't really take off until the 3GS in 2009. So, yes, the internet was well-established by the 2000s. But today's always connected world of s…

I'd argue it hasn't changed much for technology people. I had an iPhone in 10 and used it constantly for the same thing I do today: news, web browsing when away, and chatting with friends. My google history confirms this. I still use the same gmail address, reddit, social media, Steam, bank, etc accounts. I think the biggest difference for me is that I use spotify now for music, rather than downloading it. And stream…

>I had an iPhone in 10

I think you're partly agreeing with me. I didn't have an iPhone until 2010. Before that I had a Treo, which was much less capable. So prior to 2010, I didn't really have a lot of mobile connectivity other than email and some (slow) web surfing.

Re: After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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post #115

I recently had someone in a restroom ask me how to flush the toilet. The toilets had IR sensors and flushed automatically. This person had been in prison for many years and had never seen that before. I think part of the social reform that people are protesting for recently needs to extend to people in prison. Our system does nothing to rehabilitate people or to prepare them to re-enter society. We need to treat pris…

I totally agree. If you want to reduce crime, it is paramount that convicted criminals become honest citizens. Excluding them from society does not accomplish that. Guidance on how to function normally in society might. Criminal organisations would probably gladly welcome someone with proven criminal experience. If we make it too hard for criminals to rehabilitate, they are very likely to return to crime, because tha…

The other way is to just keep criminals in prison until they age enough that their hormones change and they no longer feel the urge to violence.

The good thing about this is that it works very consistently and predictably. If he's in prison, he can't rape, murder, or brutalize anyone else (prison crime notwithstanding).

Human males naturally enter their criminal phase around age 16 and exit it around 30-35. The factors governing this are biological and can literally be measured in the bloodstream. The stuff you're talking about can help some people, but for many... you can't train someone into lower testosterone levels.

Re: After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

... "I'd love to help you, but I don't use Windows so might not be able to. But let's take a look, since you're my friend and all and I want you to be happy"?

The truth is I am now actually incompetent to help my Windows-using family and friends. The answer is that I really can't help, no matter how much goodwill applies. I recently poked at a friend's Windows10 machine that was having networking issues (probably DNS or proxy settings)... couldn't even find the right sort of settings to paly around with. The whole thing is a mystery wrapped in an enigma to me and causes me…

Windows 10 now being a rolling release is making things even harder. Even if you do learn how to do something, you have no idea how long that method will remain viable or if features will be removed.

I find myself relying more and more on Powershell in Windows and using the Terminal in Mac OS X/OS X/macOS when I have to use these operating systems so I don't feel like a bumbling fool when someone asks for help fixing something. More than once I've had someone wonder out aloud that they thought I knew how to use computers when using the GUI.

Re: After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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Surely I'm not the only one that thinks very little has changed in 10 years? I hadn't built a PC (nor used windows) between 2005 and 2016. After a few hours of catching up on the newest names (ie, what's the cheapo intel line called? What DDR version do I get? What is the SATA equivalent now?), everything became super familiar. Putting everything together was much easier (mouse cursors in BIOS?!) and looked a bit dif…

I read one of the linked stories that was an interview of this guy - it strikes me he was more a script kiddie obsessed with 4chan turf wars and not really a technologist.

Re: After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, the rest of the world considers prison sentences in the US to be absurdly long. This guy apparently got 10 years for hacking; in much of Europe, you'd get less than that for murder.

> This guy apparently got 10 years for hacking; in much of Europe, you'd get less than that for murder. Both of those things are problematic, IMHO. As for US sentences being absurdly long, I attribute that to the privatized (profit-incentivized) prison system here. Abolishing that concept would be a good starting point, I think, because it would eliminate a very large chunk of the humanitarian problems in one fell sw…

Sentencing is decided by a judge not by a prison warden. Beyond vague conspiracy theories I don’t see the connection.

Re: After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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I recently had someone in a restroom ask me how to flush the toilet. The toilets had IR sensors and flushed automatically. This person had been in prison for many years and had never seen that before. I think part of the social reform that people are protesting for recently needs to extend to people in prison. Our system does nothing to rehabilitate people or to prepare them to re-enter society. We need to treat pris…

One of my coworkers met a guy on the bus the other morning who had been imprisoned in the mid 90s and was just released. (Assault charge plus drugs.) He hadn’t seen a smart phone in person yet and was astounded that you could look up bus schedules on it. Besides the tech astonishment and the sheer length of the 25 year prison sentence (that’s tangential), it was a bit inhumane how they treated released prisoners. Thi…

You are released from Texas prison with $100, and any money you may have had on your prison commissary account. The downtown Austin bit sounds a little strange. You typically are released from the Huntsville Unit directly, unless you have additional charges somewhere (they wouldn't wait until you finish a 25 year sentence however to do that; transfers from prison to places for additional trials are common). You also don't typically receive a 25 years sentence for assault+drugs - I know people who only received 15 years for murder. I suspect there's much more to the story, or this was someone who had been to prison, and knew how to sound convincing.

(former Texas inmate)

Re: After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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post #65

This is a decent account of how much has changed, and he conveys the sense of alienation well. But what strikes me is that he talks about the whole thing like something that unaccountably happened to him. He didn't install botnets; he was arrested for installing botnets. Botnets that he somehow sees as part of the "true spirit of hacking", from the long-lost innocent age of 2009, when pure curiosity was the only moti…

Fair points.

For me it was just interesting to read about his views about himself (implicitly) and how he observed everything happening in the last decade. It's quite a unique and informative perspective as a sort of culture piece.

Re: After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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> For me, I stepped out into an uncertain future. I don’t really see meaningful human interaction anymore. People may think it's because he's been disconnected for so long. But I have the exact same feeling, and think about this problem every day. I'm a software engineer, and doing everything okay in the modern world. But I mostly use smartphones as a phone like in the last century unless I have to, I don't use most…

I haven't used really any form of social media (besides HN I suppose) in close to a decade at this point, and I don't feel at all disconnected or left out. Instead I tend to feel real benefits from:

1. Being hard to "reach". If someone wants to talk to me, they have to call, text, email or show up at my house. They can't just broadcast something on their whateverplace and expect me to find it. That makes me appreciate the people in my life who do make the effort to communicate with me personally. It lets me know they value me as a person and that I'm worth their time.

2. I am almost never tempted to think about my image. As a result I'm more "in the moment" and also more certain of my own motives. If the family is doing something fun, we can simply _enjoy it_. No need to document (though there's certainly no rule about this, and plenty of candid pictures are still taken). As someone who at times struggles with anxiety and loneliness, this is one (very large) less thing to worry about.

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