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Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by tareqak » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 5:31 PM UTC

belval wrote: post #77

tareqak wrote: post #38

I am genuinely confused by the sentiment of my fellow commenters saying that this press release sounds like “satire”, “butt-hurt”, “whiny”, “sour grapes”, and “aggressive” [0][0][1][2][3]. I have the following questions for you all if you have the time to answer them. 1. What should an official press release from an leading official of a country’s national space program read like? If you have one or more examples, th…

I cannot see how you'd be confused, read the article and it seems very clear that the tone is negative, but still I'll bite. 1) Congratulate your fellow scientists for their achievement. 2) It can mention opinions from other scientists, but again, the tone should be at least a little bit less "us vs them". 3) Absolutely, which is why this article is so out of place, the author does even try to give a thumbs up to Spa…

I read the article. I associate the negative tone with a defensiveness that comes from feeling as if one is under attack, which I would attribute to lingering Cold War rhetoric repurposed for modern-day politics.

1) I posted links to the congratulatory tweets and press releases here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23479424 . For whatever reason, this press release was chosen to be submitted instead.

2) I posted what seemed to the response to an attack here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23479344 . I have not found evidence of the attack after I spent some time searching, so I do not know what event is being referenced.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by sigrlami » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 5:41 PM UTC

Looks like it was ghostwritten. Completely differs from Rogozin's speech and flow of thoughts. Not so aggressive and rather peaceful. Also, this is an original article, in English. Strange for the official website where Russian is the main language and everything translated to English.

Anyway, Rogozin bad manager with huge salary overexploiting Soviet tech, including lots of which created by Ukrainians at Yuzhmash and Yuzhnoye Design Office. Paying 500-700$/month to a professional engineer(based on region, mec. eng, electrical engineering, programmers) is outrageous.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by Nginx487 » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 5:55 PM UTC

hobofan wrote: post #31

myth_drannon wrote: post #20

Sadly Russia culturally and technologically is not a successor to USSR. Its space program is in shambles. Soyuz was designed in the '60s and Russia's space program can't offer anything new. That happens when you pay your engineers 150$ per month(floor cleaner at McDonald's makes $250) while Rogozin gets 400k$ per year (that's only the official number...), double of what NASA director makes. Humanity needs a way to ac…

While it's not as extreme, SpaceX isn't exactly known for great engineering salaries either.

However, they definitely perform better then Russian spacecraft engineers, who consider salary $4000/year as very attractive

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by tastyminerals » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 6:01 PM UTC

Avicebron wrote: post #66

mc32 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ask yourself, choosing to live among the two choices and presuming you’re not Snowden, where would you choose to live, if you’re not an oligarch? If you’re not sure, ask poor Americans, ask a homeless person, ask a recent immigrant.

I will second that ambiguity, having never lived in Russia. My sense is that poor Americans are also struggling, but maybe not as much as in Russia? Can you clarify which is which?

You can't even imagine. The whole east Russian speaking conglomerate of contries is basically a test to your human nature and survivalism.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by simion314 » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 6:02 PM UTC

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #48

simion314 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was there a competition? I assume US will use their own tech if possible even if is more risky to avoid the dependency on Russia.

There is always implied competition when it comes to space since its something that only the "richest" countries can do, especially crewed spaceflight

I do not see what competition or race US won, I mean US just catch up in a way, they managed to wash the humiliation of depending on Russia but I could not see how catching up is a win.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by hangonhn » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 6:06 PM UTC

atomashpolskiy wrote: post #54

I don't like this person (and our officials in general), but I feel compelled to say, that I find the mockery of his points and all things Russian (in this thread and overall) absolutely disgusting and borderline insulting. Sadly, it's quite typical. The most atrocious example of this mentality is (still, after so many years) US propagandist efforts to make everyone believe, that their participation in the WWII was d…

The reason the history is so biased against the Russians in the US is because it was written by German generals. They ended up doing two things:

1. Absolving themselves of any guilt or mistake. It's all Hitler's fault. :rolleyes:

2. The Russians only won because of luck, winter, and unlimited manpower.

Franz Halder ended up getting the second highest American civilian honor for writing that history. Of course, we asked him to do it because we wanted to learn what they know so we can be better prepared against the USSR. However, we were so naive and just believed him completely. There's been a recent movement among US historians to reexamine that period and a lot of old myths we had about the USSR' role in WWII is being rejected. It's going to take a while for that to trickle out into the public. I just wish more people knew of the immense sacrifices the people of the USSR made during that war.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by mc32 » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 6:09 PM UTC

tastyminerals wrote: post #84

Avicebron wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will second that ambiguity, having never lived in Russia. My sense is that poor Americans are also struggling, but maybe not as much as in Russia? Can you clarify which is which?

You can't even imagine. The whole east Russian speaking conglomerate of contries is basically a test to your human nature and survivalism.

Right people can’t begin to imagine why sanctions against Russia don’t work. Subtracting from near zero leaves them at near zero. Moar sanctions don’t bother them as they are already used to living with the bare minimum. It’s not like pulling the rug from under a middle class lifestyle or where people are on the cusp of success.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by Nginx487 » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 6:13 PM UTC

Avicebron wrote: post #66

mc32 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ask yourself, choosing to live among the two choices and presuming you’re not Snowden, where would you choose to live, if you’re not an oligarch? If you’re not sure, ask poor Americans, ask a homeless person, ask a recent immigrant.

I will second that ambiguity, having never lived in Russia. My sense is that poor Americans are also struggling, but maybe not as much as in Russia? Can you clarify which is which?

As an immigrant from Russia who regularly visit US, I can relate your "low-end" class to Russian "middle". People called poor in US almost always own a used car, and often some cheap house or trailer. Poverty in Russia means no housing for a family (2-3 families live in one apartment), absolutely no car, which is already considered as middle-class privilege, struggle to buy food for the whole family and don't have access to social lifts to escape this kind of existence.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by yostrovs » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 6:19 PM UTC

brutt wrote: post #76

atomashpolskiy wrote: post #54

I don't like this person (and our officials in general), but I feel compelled to say, that I find the mockery of his points and all things Russian (in this thread and overall) absolutely disgusting and borderline insulting. Sadly, it's quite typical. The most atrocious example of this mentality is (still, after so many years) US propagandist efforts to make everyone believe, that their participation in the WWII was d…

Someone tends to forgot that Germany and Soviet Union started WWWII by joint attack on Poland. Soviet nazi had same color as German nazi.

They also forgot Japan and Italy existed back then.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by tastyminerals » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 6:19 PM UTC

frwfaw_ wrote: post #73

As a Russian citizen, all I can say is that Rogozin is tiresome. Instead of trolling SpaceX, I'd rather see him address criticisms like this one [0], where Russian engineers talk about the sorry state of our space industry. Although ultimately there is no mystery here. The Soviets had a real commitment to science and technology. It was one of the few silver linings of the communist regime. Present day Russia is devoi…

I thought so too, now I believe that it was sheer naivety. If anything, the realization that education matters is the last thing they come to because this is not their task. Pumping resources out while maintaining the belief of being competitive is what all this government was doing all the time. Take a look at the yearly budget, you don't need to go too far. And it was like this since I remember. Nothing changed in the colony except the managers.