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Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by tareqak » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 4:58 PM UTC

fastball wrote: post #52

tareqak wrote: post #38

I am genuinely confused by the sentiment of my fellow commenters saying that this press release sounds like “satire”, “butt-hurt”, “whiny”, “sour grapes”, and “aggressive” [0][0][1][2][3]. I have the following questions for you all if you have the time to answer them. 1. What should an official press release from an leading official of a country’s national space program read like? If you have one or more examples, th…

Did you read it? Pretty ironic you are decrying nationalism when these comments from Rogozin came across as very nationalistic, effectively "you guys don't appreciate how much Russia has done for you – oh and by the way our rockets are still better than yours even though they are clearly not". There were also a lot of things that I found pretty petulant in tone. This one stood out to me: > America is a very large cou…

I read it. Here is one quote

> In this connection, I note another strange moment seen in not only the ‘expert’ statements, but also coming from the side of NASA officials — such as Stephanie Schierholz, who have already started making wreaths to bury the Russian Soyuz spacecraft alive.

Stephanie Schierholz is Lead Spokesperson, Public Affairs Specialist for Human Spaceflight for NASA. I am trying to find evidence for this Soyuz wreath, or if it was a different event that was misunderstood.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by mc32 » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 4:59 PM UTC

aerovistae wrote: post #30

numakerg wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Despite it being written in English, I think this letter is intended for a more domestic audience. Comparing Russia to the USA is like comparing potatoes to oranges. One is a child of royalty, chasing their dreams and living the in the lap of luxury while the other is a child of poverty, struggling for most of their life, a fleeting moment of success before their past catches up to them.

I have to double check here because it's ambiguous, but the child of poverty here is Russia, right?

Ask yourself, choosing to live among the two choices and presuming you’re not Snowden, where would you choose to live, if you’re not an oligarch?

If you’re not sure, ask poor Americans, ask a homeless person, ask a recent immigrant.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by pj_mukh » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 4:59 PM UTC

"America is a very large country, and a large country should be benevolent and noble"

What? Is something lost in translation here? Interesting, Russian idiom perhaps?

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 5:00 PM UTC

atomashpolskiy wrote: post #54

I don't like this person (and our officials in general), but I feel compelled to say, that I find the mockery of his points and all things Russian (in this thread and overall) absolutely disgusting and borderline insulting. Sadly, it's quite typical. The most atrocious example of this mentality is (still, after so many years) US propagandist efforts to make everyone believe, that their participation in the WWII was d…

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Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by mc32 » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 5:02 PM UTC

pj_mukh wrote: post #63

"America is a very large country, and a large country should be benevolent and noble" What? Is something lost in translation here? Interesting, Russian idiom perhaps?

I think as others have suggested the post is meant for a Russian audience (ex-pats, etc).

Otherwise it’s ridiculous knowing that Russia is double the size of the US in area and China India are four times larger in population...

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by Avicebron » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 5:03 PM UTC

mc32 wrote: post #62

aerovistae wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to double check here because it's ambiguous, but the child of poverty here is Russia, right?

Ask yourself, choosing to live among the two choices and presuming you’re not Snowden, where would you choose to live, if you’re not an oligarch? If you’re not sure, ask poor Americans, ask a homeless person, ask a recent immigrant.

I will second that ambiguity, having never lived in Russia. My sense is that poor Americans are also struggling, but maybe not as much as in Russia? Can you clarify which is which?

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by tareqak » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 5:04 PM UTC

flohofwoe wrote: post #60

tareqak wrote: post #38

I am genuinely confused by the sentiment of my fellow commenters saying that this press release sounds like “satire”, “butt-hurt”, “whiny”, “sour grapes”, and “aggressive” [0][0][1][2][3]. I have the following questions for you all if you have the time to answer them. 1. What should an official press release from an leading official of a country’s national space program read like? If you have one or more examples, th…

I would have expected a sportsman-like congratulation to the NASA and SpaceX, maybe followed by some intelligent and good-mannered trolling. Something along the lines of Apple's "Welcome IBM. Seriously" ads. This boring and aggressive piece of Cold War rhetoric definitely fits into the recent trend of worsening international relationships (of course the current US administration has its own part in this). But it's st…

He did so in a different press release / tweet here: http://en.roscosmos.ru/21497/ and https://www.twitter.com/Rogozin/status/1267101204674478080 . Full quote below:

> Dear @JimBridenstine , it's safe to congratulate you at this point with a successful launch and docking. Bravo! I know how anxious you were for this major event to become a success. I wish @NASA team to successfully finish up reconstructing its national space transportation system

Another member of Roscosmos, Sergei Krikalev, also congratulated the Crew Dragon mission here http://en.roscosmos.ru/21495/ along with a YouTube video https://youtu.be/gu6r46gJ2g0. Full quote below:

> I would like to greet our American colleagues – this launch marks the beginning of another test cycle of the crewed spacecraft. The vehicle has already flown uncrewed – but this is a very important and crucial moment with people flying aboard the new spacecraft, and a new stage in crewed flights program begins – including world crewed flights program and International Space Station program where the vehicle went to. This means new opportunities, new reserves – and I am sure that the success of the mission will provide us with additional opportunities that will benefit the whole international program.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by Koshkin » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 5:06 PM UTC

atomashpolskiy wrote: post #54

I don't like this person (and our officials in general), but I feel compelled to say, that I find the mockery of his points and all things Russian (in this thread and overall) absolutely disgusting and borderline insulting. Sadly, it's quite typical. The most atrocious example of this mentality is (still, after so many years) US propagandist efforts to make everyone believe, that their participation in the WWII was d…

Well, a war is a war, even when it's a cold one, and propaganda is an important weapon (disgusting as it may be).

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by princekolt » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 5:08 PM UTC

> By the way, under the conditions of pandemics, limited staff managed to retain continuous work, and it became clear at once, who can continue to work remotely and who is unnecessary.

hahahahahahhaha say what you want, but I love the unfiltered nature of Russian culture.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by starpilot » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 5:09 PM UTC

cs702 wrote: post #4

Wow, there's so much... negativity in this post by Rogozin. It reads like "sour grapes": " Driven by hunger, a fox tried to reach some grapes hanging high on the vine but was unable to, although it leaped with all its strength. As it went away, the fox remarked 'Oh, you aren't even ripe yet! I don't need any sour grapes.'" [a] People who speak disparagingly of the accomplishments of others would do well to apply this…

That's how we know SpaceX is doing a good job competing. Seriously, more than the ESA, and more than Boeing, Russia is SpaceX's strongest competitor. If Rogozin was unruffled and apathetic I'd be wondering if they knew something that SpaceX didn't. The fact that he's upset means that he considers them to be a fully-developed player in the space launch market.