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Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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No doubt there are some sour grapes in that article. However, as an American, I feel it's our obligation to honor and respect the fact that without the Russians, we would not have had American astronauts in space for the past 9 years.

But when were they dishonored or disrespected?

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

#52
post #38

I am genuinely confused by the sentiment of my fellow commenters saying that this press release sounds like “satire”, “butt-hurt”, “whiny”, “sour grapes”, and “aggressive” [0][0][1][2][3]. I have the following questions for you all if you have the time to answer them. 1. What should an official press release from an leading official of a country’s national space program read like? If you have one or more examples, th…

Did you read it? Pretty ironic you are decrying nationalism when these comments from Rogozin came across as very nationalistic, effectively "you guys don't appreciate how much Russia has done for you – oh and by the way our rockets are still better than yours even though they are clearly not". There were also a lot of things that I found pretty petulant in tone. This one stood out to me:

> America is a very large country, and a large country should be benevolent and noble. However, some of my colleagues (not me, of course — I have no illusions about the partners after working as Russia’s representative to NATO) did not receive any words of gratitude or professional noble response, although they could fully count on that.

If that's not the kind of comment that discourages collaboration, I don't know what is. I mean it doesn't even make sense – what does a country's size have to do with "being noble"?

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

#53
Russia spends a sizeable amount on space exploration, but 80% of it is stolen or defrauded by corrupt officials like Rogozin. Putin is angry about the endless string of failures that result from this, but dares not to come down too hard on the culprits for fear of losing support.

This means that Russia will fade away as a space-power, replaced by China, which is quickly catching up with the West.

All Russia can do now is bragging and brawling about its successes and drawing up an endless number of plans which will never be realized

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

#54
I don't like this person (and our officials in general), but I feel compelled to say, that I find the mockery of his points and all things Russian (in this thread and overall) absolutely disgusting and borderline insulting.

Sadly, it's quite typical. The most atrocious example of this mentality is (still, after so many years) US propagandist efforts to make everyone believe, that their participation in the WWII was decisive, with D-Day being the turning point, that ultimately brought the victory over Nazis. When someone dares to notice, that there were Kursk and Stalingrad in 1943 and a full-on race to Berlin quite some time before the first American troops even landed on Omaha beach, the official propaganda dismisses all evidence or smears the Russian side: like, yeah, sure, they helped a lot, no shit, but it was only possible, because Red Army was overrunning German tanks with millions of vodka-infused unarmed savages, who were machinegunned in the back by commissars, oh, and don't forget lend-lease and food, that US was providing to Russia, otherwise Hitler would have taken Leningrad in 1941...yadda-yadda

Adequate people tend to understand, that any such collective fight (conquering space is also a real fight) is collaborative, and every party plays an important role. Denigrating former allies after the fight is finished is behaving not like a human, but like an ape. It's equally disgusting to see this happen both on Russian and on American side.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

#56
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While it's not as extreme, SpaceX isn't exactly known for great engineering salaries either.

Most people I know would be very happy to own SpaceX stock.

That's not quite the same as an engineering salary, especially if you are not getting stock options. Would be happy to find out that all new engineers are getting stock options though.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

#57
post #4

Wow, there's so much... negativity in this post by Rogozin. It reads like "sour grapes": " Driven by hunger, a fox tried to reach some grapes hanging high on the vine but was unable to, although it leaped with all its strength. As it went away, the fox remarked 'Oh, you aren't even ripe yet! I don't need any sour grapes.'" [a] People who speak disparagingly of the accomplishments of others would do well to apply this…

It sounds like he’s pissed that he’s losing revenue which will affect budget which will affect future development and future competitiveness.

I doubt he didn’t see it coming, and sees competition where he had a monopoly for some years and naturally is upset by it. But airing it out in an unprofessional way...

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

#59
post #3

Is this satire? It appears to be the real Roscosmos website, and yet this press release reads like the response of a child that – in an attempt to suppress tears after being second in a competition – lashes out defensively and throws around insults and excuses. I'm trying to think of a less demeaning adjective, but the most fitting that comes to mind is "butt-hurt".

There are few good points tho. For example: >Our Soyuz MS has proven to be the world’s most reliable spacecraft. We have a unique record of 173 successful flights. Even the three emergencies caused by the carrier rocket failures in 1975, 1983 and 2018 occurring during various injection stages showed its unique survivability due to the launch escape system reliability. By the way, the Soyuz rocket of various configura…

Spain should've kept the South America - Cadiz route on sailing ships. They'd have million trips under their wooden belts already, beat that internal combustion engine!

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

#60
post #38

I am genuinely confused by the sentiment of my fellow commenters saying that this press release sounds like “satire”, “butt-hurt”, “whiny”, “sour grapes”, and “aggressive” [0][0][1][2][3]. I have the following questions for you all if you have the time to answer them. 1. What should an official press release from an leading official of a country’s national space program read like? If you have one or more examples, th…

I would have expected a sportsman-like congratulation to the NASA and SpaceX, maybe followed by some intelligent and good-mannered trolling.

Something along the lines of Apple's "Welcome IBM. Seriously" ads.

This boring and aggressive piece of Cold War rhetoric definitely fits into the recent trend of worsening international relationships (of course the current US administration has its own part in this). But it's still extremely disappointing, no matter which side.

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