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Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by rst » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 4:15 PM UTC

derekp7 wrote: post #12

barbegal wrote: post #6

> The new American spacecraft are more than double the weight of a Soyuz while offering only one additional seat. Is this true? The launch mass of a Soyuz capsule is about 7000kg and the SpaceX Crew Dragon Demo-1 launch mass was about 12000kg so not "more than double" however Demo-1 didn't include astronauts. The Crew Dragon can theoretically carry several tonnes of cargo to the ISS in addition to 4 astronauts.

Also, it was originally designed to carry 7 astronauts -- but NASA wanted a different seat position for stress reduction. (I'm kind of glad that it doesn't carry 7, the more people that are on a flight, the more casualties you get if there is a failure).

SpaceX is still advertising a seven-seat capacity on their web site. The "crew dragon interior" video seems to be the NASA-endorsed four-seat configuration, but makes it pretty clear there's a whole lot of room under those four. https://www.spacex.com/vehicles/dragon/

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by cryptonector » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 4:19 PM UTC

> Equally strange is the statement that 'for the first time a private company created a crewed spacecraft'. And what about Boeing and Lockheed Martin? Aren't they still private or have they been nationalized? SpaceX is no less a private company than Boeing is with the ties to the Pentagon being no weaker,

ULA is a private rocket company, yes, and successful, but they don't yet have a successful crewed spacecraft.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by trhway » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 4:19 PM UTC

i wonder if by overtaking the USSR/Russia space program Musk did more for progress of Russian society than almost anybody else - the space program has been one of the few [left-over from USSR] pillars of Russian nationalistic "greatness", and the "great" don't need progress, changes, etc. Kicking that pillar out provides for the additional stress which at the end may lead to some movement forward, to the "problem acknowledgement" first step, a "king is naked" kind of moment. The timing is especially bad for that "greatness" - the "high" of Crimea takeover has almost gone, Russia is banned from Olympics (with sport being another "pillar") because of doping, and Putin popularity is starting to go down due to total failure to handle coronavirus and high spike in the number of "dual sided pneumonia" and cardiovascular deaths (that number of extra deaths in the last couple months is more than 10% of coronavirus cases while official coronavirus deaths are only 1% - that miracle of Russian healthcare is naturally helped by special criminal penalty for spreading of false, ie. contradicting official, coronavirus information).

I think history has its sense of irony - Musk started building his rockets as result of Russian refusal to sell rockets (i think it was about decommissioned ICBMs) to him 20 years ago. In alternative Universe by selling to him Russia would have probably slowed down SpaceX may be by 10 years or may be SpaceX wouldn't have even survived in such a case.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by optimiz3 » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 4:23 PM UTC

hobofan wrote: post #31

myth_drannon wrote: post #20

Sadly Russia culturally and technologically is not a successor to USSR. Its space program is in shambles. Soyuz was designed in the '60s and Russia's space program can't offer anything new. That happens when you pay your engineers 150$ per month(floor cleaner at McDonald's makes $250) while Rogozin gets 400k$ per year (that's only the official number...), double of what NASA director makes. Humanity needs a way to ac…

While it's not as extreme, SpaceX isn't exactly known for great engineering salaries either.

Most people I know would be very happy to own SpaceX stock.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by rst » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 4:25 PM UTC

Koshkin wrote: post #18

ddrt wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, I see is first time experiencing Russian loss. Is normal response to losing.

I wonder if Russia has indeed just lost the international market for manned space flights.

Well, Dragon looks a whole lot more comfortable than Soyuz, though it hasn't nearly got the same track record yet. And SpaceX is already in the market for space tourism and commercial projects (witness the Tom Cruise movie-in-space thing, which could be seen as either or both).

The current Russian development projects Rogozin describes could flip that back -- but a lot of the speech is how those have, to this point, been moving awfully slowly...

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by Justsignedup » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 4:25 PM UTC

hobofan wrote: post #31

myth_drannon wrote: post #20

Sadly Russia culturally and technologically is not a successor to USSR. Its space program is in shambles. Soyuz was designed in the '60s and Russia's space program can't offer anything new. That happens when you pay your engineers 150$ per month(floor cleaner at McDonald's makes $250) while Rogozin gets 400k$ per year (that's only the official number...), double of what NASA director makes. Humanity needs a way to ac…

While it's not as extreme, SpaceX isn't exactly known for great engineering salaries either.

There's a difference between a SpaceX engineer not getting paid top-dollar and making below McDonalds janitorial staff wages.

However you are not wrong.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by NikolaeVarius » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 4:26 PM UTC

Dolores12 wrote: post #32

adwn wrote: post #3

Is this satire? It appears to be the real Roscosmos website, and yet this press release reads like the response of a child that – in an attempt to suppress tears after being second in a competition – lashes out defensively and throws around insults and excuses. I'm trying to think of a less demeaning adjective, but the most fitting that comes to mind is "butt-hurt".

There are few good points tho. For example: >Our Soyuz MS has proven to be the world’s most reliable spacecraft. We have a unique record of 173 successful flights. Even the three emergencies caused by the carrier rocket failures in 1975, 1983 and 2018 occurring during various injection stages showed its unique survivability due to the launch escape system reliability. By the way, the Soyuz rocket of various configura…

They are planning for around 30 launches in 2020, and 50 in 2021

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by NikolaeVarius » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 4:31 PM UTC

simion314 wrote: post #13

ddrt wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, I see is first time experiencing Russian loss. Is normal response to losing.

Was there a competition? I assume US will use their own tech if possible even if is more risky to avoid the dependency on Russia.

There is always implied competition when it comes to space since its something that only the "richest" countries can do, especially crewed spaceflight

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Post by sq_ » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 4:36 PM UTC

Dolores12 wrote: post #32

adwn wrote: post #3

Is this satire? It appears to be the real Roscosmos website, and yet this press release reads like the response of a child that – in an attempt to suppress tears after being second in a competition – lashes out defensively and throws around insults and excuses. I'm trying to think of a less demeaning adjective, but the most fitting that comes to mind is "butt-hurt".

There are few good points tho. For example: >Our Soyuz MS has proven to be the world’s most reliable spacecraft. We have a unique record of 173 successful flights. Even the three emergencies caused by the carrier rocket failures in 1975, 1983 and 2018 occurring during various injection stages showed its unique survivability due to the launch escape system reliability. By the way, the Soyuz rocket of various configura…

Barring slippage, they're supposed to have three more launches before the end of June, which would put them on track for 24 this year. They seem to be well on their way to matching 173, based on their current record and high flight rate.

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Post by fastball » Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 4:37 PM UTC

cs702 wrote: post #4

Wow, there's so much... negativity in this post by Rogozin. It reads like "sour grapes": " Driven by hunger, a fox tried to reach some grapes hanging high on the vine but was unable to, although it leaped with all its strength. As it went away, the fox remarked 'Oh, you aren't even ripe yet! I don't need any sour grapes.'" [a] People who speak disparagingly of the accomplishments of others would do well to apply this…

Is that surprising?

Russia and America don't exactly get along, and I can't remember the last time I read anything where Russians employed by the state had something nice to say about the US.