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Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Is this satire? It appears to be the real Roscosmos website, and yet this press release reads like the response of a child that – in an attempt to suppress tears after being second in a competition – lashes out defensively and throws around insults and excuses. I'm trying to think of a less demeaning adjective, but the most fitting that comes to mind is "butt-hurt".

My sense is that this is market jockeying.

Before now, and I could be very wrong, the only way to simply buy yourself a seat to orbit was on Russian rockets.... and should the future bring more of this they were probably hoping to be the obvious choice. NASA, even when it had it's own capacity, wasn't a threat since they weren't selling seats and when they failed to have a crew capacity, NASA became a customer.

Now, you have the crew capacity in a private company that is on the verge of being able to offer these services for sale and they have no reason to limit themselves to just NASA. SpaceX owns the rockets, capsules, and know-how... which gets to another point in the press release. The larger differentiator between SpaceX and previous government contractors like Boeing isn't that they aren't both private companies, but that the SpaceX is basically selling a service whereas Boeing was selling bespoke equipment. If Russia wants to be commercially competitive in the service of launching cargo and people... SpaceX seems to be a credible threat and I read the press release as the Russians seeing them as such. Given how competitive SpaceX is for satellite launch services, I can't say I blame the Russians for having concern.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Is this satire? It appears to be the real Roscosmos website, and yet this press release reads like the response of a child that – in an attempt to suppress tears after being second in a competition – lashes out defensively and throws around insults and excuses. I'm trying to think of a less demeaning adjective, but the most fitting that comes to mind is "butt-hurt".

I was thinking the same thing, reading this was surreal- I had to re-read passages and double check things to make sure this is a legitimate and not some kind of satire or highly metaphorical thing that went completely over my head. Butt-hurt seems to be spot on.

It is just modern tr-r-r-rend in public statements.

Imagine Mr. Trump writing such a statement. What words/style would you see there?

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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> The new American spacecraft are more than double the weight of a Soyuz while offering only one additional seat. Is this true? The launch mass of a Soyuz capsule is about 7000kg and the SpaceX Crew Dragon Demo-1 launch mass was about 12000kg so not "more than double" however Demo-1 didn't include astronauts. The Crew Dragon can theoretically carry several tonnes of cargo to the ISS in addition to 4 astronauts.

I don't know if that is true, but why does the weight of the rocket matter? A reusable rocket will be heavier as it has to be built to carry extra fuel for re-entry. I would still want a reusable Space X rocket even if it is heavier

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was thinking the same thing, reading this was surreal- I had to re-read passages and double check things to make sure this is a legitimate and not some kind of satire or highly metaphorical thing that went completely over my head. Butt-hurt seems to be spot on.

It is just modern tr-r-r-rend in public statements. Imagine Mr. Trump writing such a statement. What words/style would you see there?

It's been typical Russian tone for years now, starting well before the last U.S. presidential elections.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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post #3

Is this satire? It appears to be the real Roscosmos website, and yet this press release reads like the response of a child that – in an attempt to suppress tears after being second in a competition – lashes out defensively and throws around insults and excuses. I'm trying to think of a less demeaning adjective, but the most fitting that comes to mind is "butt-hurt".

This isn't satire. This is the tone Russia employs when talking about anything related to the US. I see this on Russian TV and news daily. It's quite hysterical if you're not used to this kind of "delivery." Russian leadership is very "butt-hurt" and they usually resort to demeaning behavior to feel better about themselves.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, I see is first time experiencing Russian loss. Is normal response to losing.

Was there a competition? I assume US will use their own tech if possible even if is more risky to avoid the dependency on Russia.

That would be false, otherwise we would not have retired the shuttle.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Sadly Russia culturally and technologically is not a successor to USSR. Its space program is in shambles. Soyuz was designed in the '60s and Russia's space program can't offer anything new. That happens when you pay your engineers 150$ per month(floor cleaner at McDonald's makes $250) while Rogozin gets 400k$ per year (that's only the official number...), double of what NASA director makes. Humanity needs a way to ac…

He also mentions the new Vostochny Cosmodrome which has been in construction forever. In 2015 the construction personnel(500 people) didn't receive a salary for 5 months and had to write pleads to Putin on the rooftops of their barracks. That's Roscosmos, you can't build anything while people are starving.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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I guess I understand the... aggressive tone of the piece given the amount of flag waving in the recent Crew Dragon launch. But, just speaking as an American with a little interest in space, I have a lot of respect for the Soyuz program.

Rogozin has nothing to do with Soyuz program’s success. He has a lot to do with it not evolving

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Is this satire? It appears to be the real Roscosmos website, and yet this press release reads like the response of a child that – in an attempt to suppress tears after being second in a competition – lashes out defensively and throws around insults and excuses. I'm trying to think of a less demeaning adjective, but the most fitting that comes to mind is "butt-hurt".

Despite it being written in English, I think this letter is intended for a more domestic audience. Comparing Russia to the USA is like comparing potatoes to oranges. One is a child of royalty, chasing their dreams and living the in the lap of luxury while the other is a child of poverty, struggling for most of their life, a fleeting moment of success before their past catches up to them.

I have to double check here because it's ambiguous, but the child of poverty here is Russia, right?
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