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After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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Re: After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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> and that really should be the only point for prisons (protect the public) That's not true. Our prisons should protect the public, rehabilitate prisoners in so far as they can, and, to an appropriate extent, punish. Some people are skittish about the idea of punsihment. But it's abhorrent to our sense of justice that one suffer no consequences after committing a crime. Now in general I think our prisons and sentenci…

>to an appropriate extent, punish. What's the overall goal of punishment? We know it's not a deterrent to crime. We know it doesn't help recidivism rates. The only remaining reason I can think of is spite/hate.

we can debate if that's logically or morally right, but there's no doubt spite and hate are powerful motivators

Re: After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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> and that really should be the only point for prisons (protect the public) That's not true. Our prisons should protect the public, rehabilitate prisoners in so far as they can, and, to an appropriate extent, punish. Some people are skittish about the idea of punsihment. But it's abhorrent to our sense of justice that one suffer no consequences after committing a crime. Now in general I think our prisons and sentenci…

> it's abhorrent to our sense of justice that one suffer no consequences after committing a crime This is interesting, philosophically speaking. Why do you say this is so? To what end is the suffering, purely for the sake of the suffering itself, valuable? If it's at odds with the rehabilitation, which should take precedence?

Or, from another perspective, what makes one think that forced confinement and ostracisation does not qualify as sufficient "consequences"? In a fundamental sense, this is the greatest punishment that can be given to a human being. We are incredibly social creatures.

Re: After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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Its terrible how the American system thinks about prison's. Imagine he could do/learn something good in those 10 years, when he was locked away to protect the public (and that really should be the only point for prisons (protect the public))

> and that really should be the only point for prisons (protect the public) That's not true. Our prisons should protect the public, rehabilitate prisoners in so far as they can, and, to an appropriate extent, punish. Some people are skittish about the idea of punsihment. But it's abhorrent to our sense of justice that one suffer no consequences after committing a crime. Now in general I think our prisons and sentenci…

The appropriate extent of punishment is that you are not allowed your freedom. You are restrained from engaging in society.

However, currently, in the US, prisoners are a) primarily incarcerated for non-violent crime, b) used as indentured servants with their labor sold without freedom to withdraw their labor, c) kept in prison beyond reasonable and appropriate sentences to provide the private and public purse of people's taxes paying the prison complex and their labor for profit.

Re: After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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Just wait until someone you love gets murdered or maimed.

This is illustrative of how having a bias pointed out can be perceived as a threat, and responded to in kind.

I doubt that was intended as a threat (though I can see how you might read it that way). Instead, I believe I was an attempt to point out to you that an accusation of bias can go both ways, and that your view of what was typical/normal would change if your circumstances did.

If you were taking some position about money management and the response was "Yeah, just wait until you when the lottery" you wouldn't see this as a threat. Try reading it in that sense.

Re: After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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I recently had someone in a restroom ask me how to flush the toilet. The toilets had IR sensors and flushed automatically. This person had been in prison for many years and had never seen that before.

I think part of the social reform that people are protesting for recently needs to extend to people in prison. Our system does nothing to rehabilitate people or to prepare them to re-enter society. We need to treat prisoners like humans and provide them with something, anything, to help them on the outside. Our system really tries to keep you in the system.

The OP got a harsh sentence but I don't particularly feel much empathy. I could have gone the black hat route too, but I didn't.

Re: After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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>The only solution to making me happy again would seem to download Ubuntu, mount it to a USB thumb drive, and get it installed. Had I known that Windows 10 doesn’t utilize BIOS, but has replaced it with UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface), which is a secure boot option that validates programs before giving them permission to run, I wouldn’t have wasted two more days of my life trying to install my favorite o…

> I don't understand what he's saying here. I dual boot Ubuntu on my Windows 10 PC all the time (as well as using Virtualbox).

I think you have to disable UEFI before you can do this.

Re: After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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>The only solution to making me happy again would seem to download Ubuntu, mount it to a USB thumb drive, and get it installed. Had I known that Windows 10 doesn’t utilize BIOS, but has replaced it with UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface), which is a secure boot option that validates programs before giving them permission to run, I wouldn’t have wasted two more days of my life trying to install my favorite o…

He has confused Secure Boot with UEFI. Secure boot requires UEFI, but UEFI does not require secure boot.

Re: After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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Gosh, I felt that way about Windows 3.1. It got so bad around Windows 95 that that was when I switched to Linux. I've never used Windows since, so when people ask if I can help them "sort out their PC" the answer is... :)

... "I'd love to help you, but I don't use Windows so might not be able to. But let's take a look, since you're my friend and all and I want you to be happy"?

Pretty much this. I have family that still uses Windows, even if I haven't used it for many years. So I still have to find my way through it and debug things periodically.

Luckily my mother switched to an iPad when they first came out and she hasn't looked back. So much easier to support an appliance than a general purpose PC.

Re: After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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2009 didn't seem to be that far back to me. Sure, a lot has happened, but a lot of skills are still transferable, especially in SCADA. Basic concepts of OOP or security principles are largely the same as well.

You seem to forget the prison time.

13 months of isolation alone have a devastating effect on the human psyche and general cognitive abilities. Many of the negative effects (e.g. loss of self-worth and cognitive abilities) are irreversible.

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