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Re: Ask HN: Career and life advice for a 30yo

#51
I might be the same as you, except like 3 years ahead. I too felt the exact same way, so I left my cushy job (which paid pretty well) to start my own thing.

3 years later, and still bootstrapped, I'm starting to see why things are the way they are. Not trying to sound too depressing, but at the end of the day, money is what matters, and the status quo is the most optimized form of money-making there is. Profit-seeking trumps everything; even if you create the next PageRank algorithm, in order to have value it still needs to be monetized.

I also realize the whole "everyone else is a conman" thinking is quite wrong. PMs do provide value (of course, some more than others); it's just harder to see as an engineer, since it feels like we're doing all the hard work.

This might go against the grain here, but my advice: change the attitude, unless you want to remain depressed.

Re: Ask HN: Career and life advice for a 30yo

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post #19

Shit, are you me? You're just being over 30, welcome. Those documentaries you watched on your old CRT TV while growing up were showing you fiction. The tech industry is an ad mill. Academia is about innovation killing fiefdoms. What you need to realize is that for an institution, the first priority is maintaining homeostasis, and that means not letting you do something that might risk resources or upsetting the estab…

Yeah, start your one thing. I’ve never worked a W2 job and I’ve been able to work on interesting problems my entire career.

Re: Ask HN: Career and life advice for a 30yo

#53
Welcome to my world. Exactly the same age and situation. Lead developer at this point at a large software company.

The positive side in my case is that I get along extremely well with everyone I work with. But other than that, I can't say I'm really happy. Realistically speaking the only thing that keeps me around is my attachment to my coworkers. Absolutely nothing else. Over the years we've developed a really good and efficient workflow and ever since the lockdown, we've had 2 or 3 major releases, one of which was the largest one we have ever done by a long shot. All went textbook.

The industry is what it is, and it is filled with ass lickers who will get on your nerves no matter where you go. The type of people who make demands, won't listen to why they should re-think and then complain that what you have made doesn't serve them, even if it's word for word what they asked for. And when you confront them, it all ends with "Hehe, OK, can you do it like {{this}} now, sorry I'm not a technical person, hehe."

Starting your own business is a lot of dirty work. Almost all people fail, sooner rather than later( see my thoughts here[1] ). You either have to be extremely lucky and have a secure client(s) lined up or rely on VC(which from what I've seen having helped friends with startups is a lot worse than the ass lickers in big corporations).

I'm somewhat torn on your views on academia. For the most part it is irrelevant, unless you really dig into it. But then you end up into an endless rabbit hole of scientific paper references while new ones pop up every day. That is what I mostly do in my spare time (without the involvement of academia, just as a hobby at this point). It's like swimming through an ocean of seaweed.

So at this point I am where I am unless something dramatic changes. Reading papers, experimenting working on personal projects and see where that takes me. For better or worse that's the only advise I can give.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23342537

Re: Ask HN: Career and life advice for a 30yo

#54
90s hacker culture still exists; it's in a few startups, and particularly ones oriented around decentralized systems and payment; maybe data science stuff also. Probably in other places; embedded systems I'm guessing is good, industrial research labs can also be fun.

If you're working in some horrid "make an app/website which does things" grind, of course it is boring. That was only exciting when nobody knew how to do it.

Re: Ask HN: Career and life advice for a 30yo

#55
post #17

Defintely start your own company. You spent enough time in the industry to know what problems are worth solving. Take a very specific problem and solve it better than any generic solutions available. Be the king of your narrow niche market, and when you're successful maybe broaden it. My favourite stories of engineers bootstrapping their own business with no investors, no employees, no MBA: Sidekiq https://www.indieh…

How do you address his argument with the chances of success being too low?

Just as with everything else, you become better at it with more experience.

It's an acquired skill that can be learned, trained, coached, and shared.

Re: Ask HN: Career and life advice for a 30yo

#57
post #19

Shit, are you me? You're just being over 30, welcome. Those documentaries you watched on your old CRT TV while growing up were showing you fiction. The tech industry is an ad mill. Academia is about innovation killing fiefdoms. What you need to realize is that for an institution, the first priority is maintaining homeostasis, and that means not letting you do something that might risk resources or upsetting the estab…

Yeah, start your one thing. I’ve never worked a W2 job and I’ve been able to work on interesting problems my entire career.

What's W2?

Re: Ask HN: Career and life advice for a 30yo

#58
post #17

Defintely start your own company. You spent enough time in the industry to know what problems are worth solving. Take a very specific problem and solve it better than any generic solutions available. Be the king of your narrow niche market, and when you're successful maybe broaden it. My favourite stories of engineers bootstrapping their own business with no investors, no employees, no MBA: Sidekiq https://www.indieh…

How do you address his argument with the chances of success being too low?

People talk about "chances of success" as it was a lottery with binary output win (you are millionaire) vs lose (make no money and close).

Well this is false:

- Define success: these tiny one-man digital businesses ran from home have so little expenses that going profitable is infinitely easier than any traditional VC funded startups with offices and teams.

- Speed: this is counterintuitive, but true: a one man band can take decisions and, pivot, optimize, and iterate at least twice faster than any team (no meetings, no presentations, no democracy).

- Time: when you are profitable, maybe you're not rich yet, but you have time. Time to add value to the product day after day. And you will get better and better at it.

If you create a subscription based business, even if you fail for the whole year at improving your conversion rates (you won't), your yearly recurring revenue will grow linearly. Meantime, your expenses are still minuscule.

Re: Ask HN: Career and life advice for a 30yo

#59
I'm also 31, been in the industry for 10 years, and can agree on most, if not all, points, that you've made.

I totally understand, that since the 80s and early 90s IT has transformed from a craft into a full-fledged industry with a lot of money to be made, so the dilution of the original spirit and an influx of all kinds of people was to be expected.

Sadly, with all the money and hype and cultivation of the "nerd" culture among the masses, the IT has become "mainstream". By this I mean the very same process that happened in other niches, originally populated mostly by enthusiasts, that at some point showed the potential to bring huge profits. Like rock music or skateboarding, you get the idea. Basically, anything, that a person chooses as a way to express themselves, to oppose themselves to the rest of the world, both in healthy and not so healthy ways. To rebel, even.

I feel like in the past there were more people in this field, who were genuinely punk and misfits and revolutionaries (and I understand, how this may sound ridiculous, if taken at face value, but I'm speaking about the human spirit and attitude, not the intentions). These guys (overwhelmingly male, by the way) did not give a flying fuck about becoming celebrities and earning tons of money, or about saving the world and solving contemporary problems, or about outlook and diversity and inclusion and bringing everybody, including neighbour Joe and his wife and their dog onto the ship. They were happy just by doing the stuff they liked and sharing their happiness with a very limited circle of people, who really digged it.

Fast forward 30 years, now being an IT worker is completely normal, it's just an occupation, a job, where people earn money to spend them on other things, that they really like. Of course, there are many really smart and bright and devoted people as well, probably many more than ever before, but I feel like they are not of the same kind as 30 years before. They are nerds, not punks, and it makes all the difference in the world.

And with these structural changes comes the almost suffocating blandness (despite the outer gloss) and conformity, that you just can't relate to.

Just my 2 cents.

Re: Ask HN: Career and life advice for a 30yo

#60
I remember disillusionment in my 30's. I think this comes about when you have enough experience to realize there are a lot of people out there that have no clue what they are doing, people just going thru the motions.

You mentioned truly revolutionary things in computers that maybe a handful of people worked on. There were hundreds, maybe thousands of developers working on COBOL business systems dealing with PM's and MBA types in the 80's and 90's too.

Take some chances and bootstrap something into a business now.

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