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Way to keep your cool running a Raspberry Pi 4 (2019)

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Re: Way to keep your cool running a Raspberry Pi 4 (2019)

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My PI is too cool. It freezes. I have playing with a PI Zero W over the last weeks. At first everything worked as expected. But now it developed some strange "hangings" I cannot explain. It kinda randomly freezes in time for a few minutes every now and then. Sometimes it takes several minutes to ssh into it. Sometimes, the terminal just freezes for several minutes. Neither top nor iostat seem to show any elevated act…

Could strace on the ssh server help you? You would know if it's a disk issue.

Re: Way to keep your cool running a Raspberry Pi 4 (2019)

#32

Thermal engineer here. There absolutely no need to use fan cooling, humongous heatsinks or harebrained temperature controller schemes to cool the raspberry pi 4. All that is needed is a small heatsink to slightly decrease the thermal resistance to ambient air, to stay below the thermal throttling threshold. Anything more complicated than that is a pointless exercise in pointlessness.

In what case should I care about fan cooling then? How are electronic components affected by temperature in general?

Re: Way to keep your cool running a Raspberry Pi 4 (2019)

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I kind of agree. I think in most situations, a Pi is going to sit idle most of the time, so it won't need active cooling.

What if I want to use pi 4 as a building farm? Especially now with the 8gb version out, it seems to be suitable for building haskell programms

I use my pi 4 as part of a build farm with a 2cm tall passive heatsink. It never goes above 65c.

Re: Way to keep your cool running a Raspberry Pi 4 (2019)

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Anyone has links to similar articles with regards to either - SD card reliability - techniques for reliably using what we have ? Given that people are using these for all kinds of stuff there must be some advanced techniques being used (or some basic I have missed).

I've been running a raspberry 3 with a cheap sandisk sd card for years now without any SD Card issues. It runs a DNS based ad-blocker and a vpn. I am logging everything to ram instead of writing it to the card and that's about it. I never encountered any issue with SD Card reliability, despite me sometimes just pulling the plug instead of properly shutting it down. Here is a simple guide: https://raspberrypi.stackexc…

Many problems with SD cards are actually rooted in power issues (bad power source or usb device that eats power). Ever since I took proper measures to ensure stable enough power I've had no issue (Pi 3B here)

Re: Way to keep your cool running a Raspberry Pi 4 (2019)

#35

Thermal engineer here. There absolutely no need to use fan cooling, humongous heatsinks or harebrained temperature controller schemes to cool the raspberry pi 4. All that is needed is a small heatsink to slightly decrease the thermal resistance to ambient air, to stay below the thermal throttling threshold. Anything more complicated than that is a pointless exercise in pointlessness.

This is basically an appeal to authority. You haven't explained what property of the Raspberry Pi 4 means that a tiny heatsink is sufficient. Why can't I just replace the words "raspberry pi 4" with anything else and conclude that I never need fans or large heatsinks?

Re: Way to keep your cool running a Raspberry Pi 4 (2019)

#36

My PI is too cool. It freezes. I have playing with a PI Zero W over the last weeks. At first everything worked as expected. But now it developed some strange "hangings" I cannot explain. It kinda randomly freezes in time for a few minutes every now and then. Sometimes it takes several minutes to ssh into it. Sometimes, the terminal just freezes for several minutes. Neither top nor iostat seem to show any elevated act…

I've had this sort of issue caused by bad SD cards. Basically anything that touches the disk can block for several seconds sometimes.

Re: Way to keep your cool running a Raspberry Pi 4 (2019)

#37

Thermal engineer here. There absolutely no need to use fan cooling, humongous heatsinks or harebrained temperature controller schemes to cool the raspberry pi 4. All that is needed is a small heatsink to slightly decrease the thermal resistance to ambient air, to stay below the thermal throttling threshold. Anything more complicated than that is a pointless exercise in pointlessness.

Fan cooling a Raspberry Pi 4 is such an odd thing to do. You are essentially taking one of the pros of the Pi - quiet and reliable operation - and replacing it with a moving part that will not offer too much benefit and will eventually wear out or start having issues.

Re: Way to keep your cool running a Raspberry Pi 4 (2019)

#38

Thermal engineer here. There absolutely no need to use fan cooling, humongous heatsinks or harebrained temperature controller schemes to cool the raspberry pi 4. All that is needed is a small heatsink to slightly decrease the thermal resistance to ambient air, to stay below the thermal throttling threshold. Anything more complicated than that is a pointless exercise in pointlessness.

My issue with heat management is dust (on fan), also I live in the equator line area that makes it very hot in the afternoon (makes heat sink less effective).

That makes me think a lot before choosing passive or active cooling.

The Flirc case-as-heatsink one seems good tho, and on-line with your statement

Re: Way to keep your cool running a Raspberry Pi 4 (2019)

#40

Anyone has links to similar articles with regards to either - SD card reliability - techniques for reliably using what we have ? Given that people are using these for all kinds of stuff there must be some advanced techniques being used (or some basic I have missed).

My original pi has been corrupting SD cards all the time, especially now that I am running pi hole on it which seems to need more RAM than is available on my old board.
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