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U.S. Army Vintage Racer Concept Suggests Hypersonic Entry For Loitering UAS

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As I understand it, my grandfather helped to develop a suicide drone that got to its target area at hypersonic speed in the late 1950s. For the Pentagon. It was called the Minuteman ICBM, and it entered service in 1962. Is it possible to get a less misleading title on this article than "Pentagon Has Tested A Suicide Drone That Gets To Its Target Area At Hypersonic Speed"?

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As I understand it, my grandfather helped to develop a suicide drone that got to its target area at hypersonic speed in the late 1950s. For the Pentagon. It was called the Minuteman ICBM, and it entered service in 1962. Is it possible to get a less misleading title on this article than "Pentagon Has Tested A Suicide Drone That Gets To Its Target Area At Hypersonic Speed"?

We can use the title from https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/missile-defense-weapo... , which is the article this one is lifting from. I'd change the URL also, but it seems to be hard paywalled.

Awesome!

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#43
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Current cruise missiles are optimised for long range but not for final target accuracy, they actually use onboard offline terrain data to cruise to their target. Accuracy of 99% is considered bad as it might mean collateral damage. Also final target is predefined and aborting or changing target is non-trivial. With these so called "suicide drones", human operators can actions based on current situation, like, pinpoin…

> It occurred to me that if I could invent a machine – a gun – which could by its rapidity of fire, enable one man to do as much battle duty as a hundred, that it would, to a large extent supersede the necessity of large armies, and consequently, exposure to battle and disease [would] be greatly diminished. — Dr. Richard Jordan Gatling

You have a point, but he wasn’t completely wrong. Though it contains the assumption your advantage is indefinite. In reality the foe catches up.

So he was right but it only holds true while you maintain the advantage.

Re: U.S. Army Vintage Racer Concept Suggests Hypersonic Entry For Loitering UAS

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As I understand it, my grandfather helped to develop a suicide drone that got to its target area at hypersonic speed in the late 1950s. For the Pentagon. It was called the Minuteman ICBM, and it entered service in 1962. Is it possible to get a less misleading title on this article than "Pentagon Has Tested A Suicide Drone That Gets To Its Target Area At Hypersonic Speed"?

The difference is that ballistic missiles go up and then come down on their target. The "loitering munitions" basically get delivered by a cruise missile and the fly around until triggered, at which point they basically turn from drone mode back into missiles.

So it's a one time use drone with a high speed delivery system.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It occurred to me that if I could invent a machine – a gun – which could by its rapidity of fire, enable one man to do as much battle duty as a hundred, that it would, to a large extent supersede the necessity of large armies, and consequently, exposure to battle and disease [would] be greatly diminished. — Dr. Richard Jordan Gatling

You have a point, but he wasn’t completely wrong. Though it contains the assumption your advantage is indefinite. In reality the foe catches up. So he was right but it only holds true while you maintain the advantage.

Which in turn leads to "all the running you can do, to keep in the same place."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Queen_hypothesis

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#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, because it can loiter in the air for up to 2 hours in the target area before destroying its target.

So the difference between a missile and a drone is that one can fly in circles a little long than the other?

British Aerospace delivered an anti-radiation / air-defense suppression missile called ALARM in 1990: it is capable of flying up to 40,000 feet, deploying a parachute and then waiting for the target radar to come online as it floats down.

At that time, it initiates a secondary boost motor and attacks.

We didn’t used to call this a suicide drone; we called it a loitering munition.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It occurred to me that if I could invent a machine – a gun – which could by its rapidity of fire, enable one man to do as much battle duty as a hundred, that it would, to a large extent supersede the necessity of large armies, and consequently, exposure to battle and disease [would] be greatly diminished. — Dr. Richard Jordan Gatling

You have a point, but he wasn’t completely wrong. Though it contains the assumption your advantage is indefinite. In reality the foe catches up. So he was right but it only holds true while you maintain the advantage.

Tell it to the Zulus who got massacred by early machine-guns or the Congolese who couldn't successfully rebel against the atrocities of King Leopold's machine-gun-armed forces, the atrocities that inspired Heart of Darkness. Even before the opposing side caught up (around 1965, by my reckoning) the effect of the machine-gun was precisely the opposite of "exposure to battle and disease [being] greatly diminished". Some would argue especially before that time.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23473201

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#49
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The message of "Slaughterbots" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CO6M2HsoIA ) seems both more prescient and more urgent than ever given this news. Our continued reckless development and deployment of autonomous weaponry without thought to the consequences is deplorable, and its consequences could be staggering.

No one is going to stop development for fear the other will have the advantage.

For controls on this to work, there would have to be a treaty governing development among the big nuclear powers —then they with their big sticks dictate the rules to the rest.

In the vacuum of that everyone will feel they have to develop or get left behind.

Additionally something like this (the enabling of political “decapitations”) is only seriously countered by MAD. So nothing would keep Colombia from developing their own and taking out Maduro for example if they were reasonably sure a better alternative would rise in VZ.

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#50
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Suicide drone? So... a missile?

A missile than can fly from a home far away, hover (or really probably loiter, flying in circles) not too far away from a target area, then accelerate to 5000 mph after receiving a specific target. The benefit being the lag between targeting to delivery being much shorter meaning higher mission success rates, lower collateral damage, and just more flexibility.
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