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Apple will announce move to ARM-based Macs later this month

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Re: Apple will announce move to ARM-based Macs later this month

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Post by skissane »

solarkraft wrote: post #131
skissane wrote: post #93

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> On the other hand: this seems like a golden opportunity for Apple continue the path of merging iOS and Mac OS, turning the desktop platform into an equally walled garden. They can't turn macOS into a totally walled garden, without making it impossible to use as a development platform. If I can't compile and run my own software, or software I downloaded from others in source form, I can't use it as a development pla…

> And Apple needs a development platform, for people to develop iOS/macOS apps on, and for its own OS developers to use in developing iOS/macOS. Have they shown developers much respect in the past? You can't even compile for the mac on other OSes, from what I hear.

> Have they shown developers much respect in the past?

I totally agree Apple is not the most developer-friendly company, and I wish they'd focus on developer needs more. They should copy a page out of Microsoft's book and take Steve Ballmer's "developers, developers, developers" to heart.

> You can't even compile for the mac on other OSes, from what I hear.

I can compile Windows software on Linux or macOS using MinGW. Did Microsoft do anything to enable that? No, independent developers cloned the Microsoft API headers, etc, to build a cross-platform compilation environment for Windows.

There really isn't a MinGW-equivalent for macOS. There should be. But, just as Microsoft didn't do anything to produce MinGW, I don't know why we should expect Apple to do anything to produce the equivalent for macOS. (It should actually be an easier job than the MinGW developers had – macOS uses the open source LLVM toolchain which is already cross-platform – it is just a matter of providing header files and library stubs for use when compiling on other operating systems.)

Re: Apple will announce move to ARM-based Macs later this month

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Post by sigjuice »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #136
sigjuice wrote: post #88

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What is special about BSD syscalls on AArch64? Are you saying they will be different or absent?

Presumably there would be some incompatibility.

What would be an example of such an incompatibility?

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Post by salutis »

antipaul wrote: post #128
darrmit wrote: post #82

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To be clear: I’m not saying they’re trying to create a single OS. I’m saying the “Apple knows best” concepts they’re applying to macOS that are seemingly inspired by iOS are very hostile to a large part of their user base.

Fair, thanks for clarifying! I, in fact, find the catalyst apps on macOS still needing work. And I’m talking the Apple ones: Music, News

Music is not a Catalyst app. Did you mean the new Podcasts app? Music is a trimmed down version of iTunes which is a Cocoa app.

Re: Apple will announce move to ARM-based Macs later this month

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Post by vdfs »

MarkSweep wrote: post #134
jdxcode wrote: post #120

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what is x86-66?

X86-64 is the 64-bit version of x86, also known as AMD 64 and Intel 64. The first computers that apple shipped with Intel processors only supported x86 (32-bit). The most recent version of macOS removed support for x86, only allowing 64-bit apps to run. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64

Yes, but what is what is x86-66?

Re: Apple will announce move to ARM-based Macs later this month

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Post by zapzupnz »

macintux wrote: post #100
jacquesm wrote: post #56

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And they'll continue to say that right until the moment they yank the rug out from under you when all the pieces are in place.

The trop that your logic falls into is there's no way to disprove Apple will ever do this . 10 years from now, we'll probably be having the same argument, and people will be pointing to the latest release of macOS and complaining that surely this one means the end is nigh.

Indeed. I've been hearing people crow on about this since Lion. That was 10 years ago. OS X might be macOS now, but it's still fundamentally the same OS.

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Post by pathartl »

murermader wrote: post #52
pathartl wrote: post #24

It's fine that Apple is moving to ARM. It's not okay that this is going to be a proprietary, locked down CPU. T2 has shown that Apple customers no longer own their hardware.

Whats wrong with the T2? I just heard some stories that you can't recover your data when your hardware fails (which is not that huge of a problem, who does not sync their files nowadays), and that some laptops get 'improperly' resold (not being deactivated), but thats it. I probably missed something.

The problem with the T2 is if it fails in any way, you now lose access to your all of your data and your motherboard is rendered useless. At best it turns your computer into a large piece of e-waste. It's also a fairly powerful ARM CPU with access to nearly everything within the system. It paints a very large target on its back for exploits.

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Post by pathartl »

gpderetta wrote: post #78
_bxg1 wrote: post #38

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> proprietary, locked down CPU Is it somehow more proprietary and locked-down than the Intel ones?

I think the worry is a locked bootloader.

That and Apple being able to introduce security via obscurity means we'll probably never see a non-Apple OS on the platform.

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Post by pathartl »

Alex3917 wrote: post #123
mthoms wrote: post #109

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Can you expand on that?

There seems to be a bug where the chip will effectively change the master password for your encrypted disk to something random and leave you unable to access any data. I'm not sure on the details, but I've seen that happen. You might still be able to recover the data if you have iCloud reset enabled for firevault, but that obviously comes with its own risks. Basically just never go more than 24 hours without backing…

Speaking of iCloud, Apple now is able to make money when your machine dies in two expensive ways: large capacity iCloud subscriptions and a brand new machine. Now that's courage.
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