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The Cities Taking Up Calls to Defund the Police

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Re: The Cities Taking Up Calls to Defund the Police

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Post by dang »

cheaprentalyeti wrote: post #3

We'll get rid of the police departments and replace them all with Committees of Public Safety. It'll be really cutting edge.

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Re: The Cities Taking Up Calls to Defund the Police

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Post by chrischen »

the-dude wrote: post #5

We have unarmed second tier 'enforcers' in NL ( BOA's ). They patrol some city centers, give parking tickets etc. They have been asked to enforce the 1.5m rule, encountered agression and started protesting because ... they want to be armed. ( They have called for arms before COVID ) edit: Oh, forgot to add : we have these 'enforcers', and their responsibilities have been extended, because we basically defunded the po…

Part of the problem is that America's criminals are very well armed... and that's due to America allowing people to be armed.

Re: The Cities Taking Up Calls to Defund the Police

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Post by the-dude »

chrischen wrote: post #13
the-dude wrote: post #5

We have unarmed second tier 'enforcers' in NL ( BOA's ). They patrol some city centers, give parking tickets etc. They have been asked to enforce the 1.5m rule, encountered agression and started protesting because ... they want to be armed. ( They have called for arms before COVID ) edit: Oh, forgot to add : we have these 'enforcers', and their responsibilities have been extended, because we basically defunded the po…

Part of the problem is that America's criminals are very well armed... and that's due to America allowing people to be armed.

I am just pointing out that even unarmed civilians will be a problem.

Re: The Cities Taking Up Calls to Defund the Police

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Post by jeffbee »

trianglem wrote: post #12

I think the best thing for America would be to completely dissolve the police union. This single action should fix a lot of the issues.

That's really what "defund the police" does. The police union has a toxic contract with the police department. By dissolving the counterparty of the contract, you remove it from the equation. New law enforcement agencies can start from scratch without the weight of either the contract or, initially, any of the problematic personnel.

Re: The Cities Taking Up Calls to Defund the Police

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Post by maverick2007 »

Sessions wrote: post #7
ladberg wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Defund the police" doesn't mean taking away all police. It just means reducing funding and reducing responsibilities of the police to avoid them becoming a catch-all for any civil issue.

https://newrepublic.com/article/158104/rush-redefine-defund-... The meaning is not a settled question.

Interesting article, thanks for sharing! That everyone seems to have different definitions of what "defund the police means" and urge each other not to take the meaning too literally whereas others do take it literally reminds me a lot of Peter Thiel and his comments about not taking Trump literally during the campaign.

Re: The Cities Taking Up Calls to Defund the Police

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Post by renewiltord »

the-dude wrote: post #14
chrischen wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of the problem is that America's criminals are very well armed... and that's due to America allowing people to be armed.

I am just pointing out that even unarmed civilians will be a problem.

It does not make sense to me that unarmed members of the public are more dangerous in the US than anywhere else.

Re: The Cities Taking Up Calls to Defund the Police

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Post by hpoe »

jeffbee wrote: post #15
trianglem wrote: post #12

I think the best thing for America would be to completely dissolve the police union. This single action should fix a lot of the issues.

That's really what "defund the police" does. The police union has a toxic contract with the police department. By dissolving the counterparty of the contract, you remove it from the equation. New law enforcement agencies can start from scratch without the weight of either the contract or, initially, any of the problematic personnel.

So having seen many ground up rewrites of code I have to ask how do we make sure that when we redo the police we avoid the problems we got this time around?

Re: The Cities Taking Up Calls to Defund the Police

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Post by the-dude »

hpoe wrote: post #18
jeffbee wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's really what "defund the police" does. The police union has a toxic contract with the police department. By dissolving the counterparty of the contract, you remove it from the equation. New law enforcement agencies can start from scratch without the weight of either the contract or, initially, any of the problematic personnel.

So having seen many ground up rewrites of code I have to ask how do we make sure that when we redo the police we avoid the problems we got this time around?

Try Rust?
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