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Re: Playing around with the Fuchsia operating system

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Post by pier25 »

sk0g wrote: post #44
jrsj wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the very least I expect to see it used in "IoT" devices like Nest thermostats and stuff like that. Whether it ever replaces ChromeOS or Android is impossible to determine at this point though. Almost every attempt at running Android apps on another platform for compatibility has been a failure. Microsoft seems to have given up on it entirely.

Wouldn't that be where Flutter could come in handy? If the same codebase cross compiles to Android and Fuchsia (hell, even iOS), lack of apps won't be an issue. The Android team doesn't seem fond of Dart/ Flutter, but that's not surprising. Who wants to voluntarily sign their death certificate, so to speak?

I could be wrong, but I imagine at least some people in the Android team would like a fresh start.

Re: Playing around with the Fuchsia operating system

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Post by cxr »

snarfy wrote: post #43

The technical reasons for Fuchsia to exist are debatable. The real reason it exists is because Linux is GPL.

If that were true, then Google could have picked BSD or Linux's progenitor Minix, like Apple and Intel did, instead of starting from near-scratch.

Re: Playing around with the Fuchsia operating system

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Post by johannes1234321 »

weego wrote: post #11
kyaghmour wrote: post #4

This debate about monolithic vs. micro-kernels has been had many times. Maybe this time the resolution is different, who knows. But FWIW Linux didn't reach its success because someone made a feature comparison between it and what else was out there in a spreadsheet and somehow discovered how Linux was so much better. Instead, Linux won (and continues to win) because it's the Rocky Balboa of operating systems. It may…

And here's me thinking it was just because shared hosting providers didn't have to deal with insane and onerous licensing costs and vm isolation problems

That also would have been true for BSD.

Linux probably also had good timing while the Unix wars were fought.

Re: Playing around with the Fuchsia operating system

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Post by [deleted] »

mrep wrote: post #39
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

87% of the market is a monopoly by any legal definition.

A monopoly is the sole supplier of a product or service and the fact that bing exists makes search not a monopoly. In the concept of antitrust, the United States Department of Justice does not use that term directly and instead talks about power and the Supreme Court has defined market power as "the ability to raise prices above those that would be charged in a competitive market," and monopoly power as "the power to…

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Re: Playing around with the Fuchsia operating system

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

ThinkBeat wrote: post #46

I fully welcome some more competiton on the operating system front. I am sad to see WindowsNT, Linux and macOS be the only dominant operating systems. My personal very perhaps unpopular view is that Windows NT has a better technial implentation than Linux. Linux does most things well, form small devices to big iron. That is true now. But when it started, it was as a learning experiment, and damn good one too. An amaz…

The BeOS "reimplementation" is called Haiku. It is a pretty remarkably mature project, though unfortunately not what I'm looking for in a new OS personally.

The reason we don't see new OSs is pretty simple: there is entirely too much hardware you have to accommodate to be usable. There are klocs of actual kernel code in Linux, and Mlocs of driver code.

Re: Playing around with the Fuchsia operating system

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Post by RivieraKid »

I'm more excited about the possibility of a high quality desktop OS rather than the kernel. The Linux kernel is great but a great open-source desktop OS doesn't exist today.

Specifically, this product doesn't exist today:

- Desktop environment that matches or surpasses Mac OS in quality, performance and UX design.

- It includes seamless synchronization between devices.

- Apps are sandboxed, similarly to Android or iOS.

- There is a clearly defined platform / SDK, like in Android or iOS. If it works in your development environment, it's guaranteed to work everywhere.

- You can easily make a commercial product, like in Android or iOS.

- It has 10% on the market (or software creators believe it's on the trajectory to get there).

I don't understand why Google hasn't done this yet. Of course, the answer could be that such project just doesn't have the required ROI.

Re: Playing around with the Fuchsia operating system

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Post by asah »

mrep wrote: post #39
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

87% of the market is a monopoly by any legal definition.

A monopoly is the sole supplier of a product or service and the fact that bing exists makes search not a monopoly. In the concept of antitrust, the United States Department of Justice does not use that term directly and instead talks about power and the Supreme Court has defined market power as "the ability to raise prices above those that would be charged in a competitive market," and monopoly power as "the power to…

bing has under 3% marketshare vs 92.06% for google. As an advertiser or app/publisher, google has "the power to control prices or exclude competition."

https://www.google.com/search?q=bing+market+share

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