Greg Kroah-Hartman told me it's 40 times slower than Linux, at least that's what he told me 1 year ago. Wonder how that's changed...
What does that even mean? What specifically was slower?
Playing around with the Fuchsia operating system
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Re: Playing around with the Fuchsia operating system
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
87% of the market is a monopoly by any legal definition.
A monopoly is the sole supplier of a product or service and the fact that bing exists makes search not a monopoly. In the concept of antitrust, the United States Department of Justice does not use that term directly and instead talks about power and the Supreme Court has defined market power as "the ability to raise prices above those that would be charged in a competitive market," and monopoly power as "the power to…
I don't understand why people think monopoly means "big company," especially when size is contingent on continuing to serve customers better than competitors.
Re: Playing around with the Fuchsia operating system
#43The technical reasons for Fuchsia to exist are debatable. The real reason it exists is because Linux is GPL.
Re: Playing around with the Fuchsia operating system
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
Like most of their products, I don't think there is a master plan.
At the very least I expect to see it used in "IoT" devices like Nest thermostats and stuff like that. Whether it ever replaces ChromeOS or Android is impossible to determine at this point though. Almost every attempt at running Android apps on another platform for compatibility has been a failure. Microsoft seems to have given up on it entirely.
Wouldn't that be where Flutter could come in handy? If the same codebase cross compiles to Android and Fuchsia (hell, even iOS), lack of apps won't be an issue.
The Android team doesn't seem fond of Dart/ Flutter, but that's not surprising. Who wants to voluntarily sign their death certificate, so to speak?
Re: Playing around with the Fuchsia operating system
#45A couple of years ago it was believed that Fuchsia would replace Android and ChromeOS. Then, IIRC, it was said in a Google IO that it was just some sort of experiment to test new OS ideas. What do you think is Google's masterplan for Fuchsia?
Sometimes one can just wonder how many of these decisions to do something boil down to just one person being in the right place of the totem pole in order to
a) sell the product to their superiors and get their buy-in
b) drive their own resume for "being the guy who created X"
rather than any technological reasons or valid business reasons.
Re: Playing around with the Fuchsia operating system
#46I fully welcome some more competiton on the operating system front.
I am sad to see WindowsNT, Linux and macOS be the only dominant operating systems.
My personal very perhaps unpopular view is that Windows NT has a better technial implentation than Linux.
Linux does most things well, form small devices to big iron. That is true now.
But when it started, it was as a learning experiment, and damn good one too. An amazing achievement. A lot of work my haorsd of people have since built on top of it, replaced things, epanded things, hardening things, adding drivers, etc. And it has come a long way, but to me as an operating system, technically it is not that inspiring.
I wish we had maybe 10 competitve opearing systems, some brand new off the presses.
I have run Linux in one form or another since the first Yggdrasil release at the end of 1992. (not very early).
It was amazing. Running it on my PC at home and it was faster than the terminals at school (well all shared a few servers so always a lot going on, I am sure if you had it all to yourself it would be faster. I guess that is why some people spent the nights there is they had demanding tasks to run, but htye were not a priority to get access to the better, newer and a lot more dedicated hardware. (It was a complicated process).
I could do 90% of what was needed at home, woot.
I was very happy when I get my paws on the first WindowsNT release back in 1994 I think. I had preordered it.
I cold not wait to install it.
processor-independent, multiprocessing and multi-user operating system the end of 1992.
After having suffered through the pain that was Widows that had a kinda sorts maybe a little multitasking. Finally an improvement. OF course, a lot of my software refused to run on it, or it refused to run it
The first Mac I had with macOS was also very cool, since then OpenBSD, I had NextStep when they released it for Intel. Very cool.
Anyways I have been waiting since to get a new operating system that levels up the game, as much as WindowsNT did for Windows 3.11, 95, 98, me.
I have not yet had that privilege.
I had good hopes for Plan9, QNX, a reimplementation fo BeOS that is still ongoing. (I might have the wrong name on that one. I remember a demo I had at the university of a BeBox with the BeOs and how well it multitasked what backed then seemed like very CPU intensive graphics manipulation while playing a video and some other stuff -at the time-... I never got a BeBox and havent run its OS)
There have been, and are some solid research OSs but they have never made it out into the real world.
WindowsNT, Linux and macOS cannot be all we are given. What replaces them?
Where is WindowsNTNT.
Will it take quantum computers to become the norm before we get it? Maybe Linux already runs on that too.
(if quantum computers ever become viable or even a good fit for everyday boring computer stuff).
Give me a new operating system, written from scratch, to implement every secure feature it should have, harden it, eliminate even the possibility of buffer overflows and assorted tasks, or create them so that the elements that are exposed can fail gracefully and non-destructbily and not leak data or allow inputting of data.
I forgot about Qubes OS, that is very interesting. Maybe that is it.
Re: Playing around with the Fuchsia operating system
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Totally agree, Steve Jobs bashed smartphones and making them in the early 2000s, said that 7 inch tablets made no sense then shipped the iPad Mini, MS bashed phones without physical keyboards then shipped the Zune HD and WP7. Companies will say anything as long as it gets the job done and the job is to maintain sales.
The 7 inch tablets didn't ship until after Steve Jobs died.
And even then, maybe they didn't make sense given the technology of the time, but they could have made sense later.
Re: Playing around with the Fuchsia operating system
#48A couple of years ago it was believed that Fuchsia would replace Android and ChromeOS. Then, IIRC, it was said in a Google IO that it was just some sort of experiment to test new OS ideas. What do you think is Google's masterplan for Fuchsia?
Like most of their products, I don't think there is a master plan.
I don't know. Fuchsia seems like a sufficiently massive effort to at least have some goal other than experimentation.
Re: Playing around with the Fuchsia operating system
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lots of the userland pieces are in Rust. I don't think Rust gives you much advantage for kernel code (esp. in a microkernel), because most of it is unsafe anyway. And Rust has some missing pieces for this kind of code (for example, using custom allocators on a per-data structure basis is still difficult).
I've heard this kind of argument a lot and it's getting tiresome when we just keep seeing the same old preventable bugs being a problem time and time again. Yes, a kernel written in a safe language will still have security bugs. But it would absolutely have a very large positive impact. And any problems with safe languages can be worked around with a bit of imagination, especially with the level of effort already req…
Rust would help with drivers, not so much with the kernel itself. Drivers run in user space in Fuschia, so you should be able to use any language you want.
Re: Playing around with the Fuchsia operating system
#50Greg Kroah-Hartman told me it's 40 times slower than Linux, at least that's what he told me 1 year ago. Wonder how that's changed...
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