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How the Magic: The Gathering Color Wheel Explains Humanity

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Re: How the Magic: The Gathering Color Wheel Explains Humanity

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The human brain loves finding patterns, meaning, and explanations ( "the platonic rises to the top" , per Taleb), so you'll be able to do something like this for pretty much any configuration of objects (all numbers are interesting after all! [0]). One could write a similarly convincing post about how the Terrans, Zergs, and Protoss embody the 3 core pillars of humanity, complete with esoteric looking diagrams. Read…

> One could write a similarly convincing post about how the Terrans, Zergs, and Protoss embody the 3 core pillars of humanity, complete with esoteric looking diagrams.

While agreeing with what you're saying, I am curious what the parameters of such pattern matching are.

How many archetypes do you need so that they feel like "enough" to the average person? Is some number "too many"? Is 3 enough or do you need 5 or 6? Can I create some complex 97-archetype system, or would everyone scoff and say that archetypes 6, 14, 37 and 60-65 are all basically the same?

Re: How the Magic: The Gathering Color Wheel Explains Humanity

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> To keep reading this story, create a free account. Yeah, no. If you're the author of this piece or you have a blog on Medium, get off it. There are plenty of other, less user-hostile options.

https://makemediumreadable.com - Browser extension that actually works

I just tried this and it didn't get rid of the signup wall.

Re: How the Magic: The Gathering Color Wheel Explains Humanity

#173
post #125

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What did he say that was false?

I don't want to derail the discussion with irrelevant material, but to suggest that eating a beef-only diet cures autoimmune disorders is utterly unsupported by medical science, for one.

As someone who's mother died of a rare/poorly understood cancer after fighting it for 10 years and multiple experimental treatments, and met others in similar boats along the way (support groups), there are tons of niche medical conditions that science hasn't even bothered/had the resources to investigate.

Is a beef-only diet a good idea for the general population? Probably not. Could it be ideal for people with extremely rare auto-immune conditions that have an allergic reaction to virtually everything else? Sure, and that existing doesn't sound crazy to me at all.

I've noticed a trend where scientifically minded people tend to get hung up the "proven" at the expense of the "plausible", forgetting that everything they rightfully treat as proven once could have been dismissed in a similar manner. Real people in the real world have to make decisions based on nothing more than plausibility all the time, and I don't see why diet should be any different. Particularity if none of the "proven" solutions are working for you.

Put another way, there's a difference between "the evidence says this is wrong" and "there is no evidence that this is true".

Re: How the Magic: The Gathering Color Wheel Explains Humanity

#174
post #107

On some level, I love this, it's just wonderful, lots of neat diagrams and words and numbers that make intuitive sense. But "explains" is a rather strong word. It's pseudoscientific mysticism, in the spirit of Pythagoreans or Jordan B. Peterson. As long as we all understand this, good.

It is one of my favorite stimuli in psychometrics and the philosophy of science. I already sent it to quite a few people, as a long-read remark on the applicability of models.

Of course, as long as you read it at the meta-level, comparing with other tools (scientific, pseudo-scientific), for example: Four Temperaments, MBTI, Big Five, Western Zodiac, Chinese Zodiac, etc.

While many predictions are bogus (e.g. month of birth and relationship comparability, vide https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/howyourraceaff...) they capture various traits of character people consider important.

The difference between science and pseudo-science is much more smooth than most scientists would like to admit. While MBTI is not up to academics standards, it is highly correlated with Big Five, trait by trait (still, AFAIR there is reason to use it in the place of Big Five). Plus, there is too much Jungian interpretation for MBTI, which is not up to current scientific standards. Still, I defended MBTI (in a dating context, e.g. as a self-identification) more times than I care to admit (for some insights, this https://www.16personalities.com/ is decent).

There is also a corollary that psychology is still in its infancy, much like biology before the discovery of bacteria, viri, or DNA.

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In mathematics, there is a concept of a basis - more or less, directions, or orientation. We can express the same thing is a few different ways. Some bases are better (unit length, dimensions are orthogonal (uncorrelated)), but otherwise there is a lot of room here.

In this case, Colors of Mana are one basis. Just because it is an impromptu psychological explanation, does not mean it does not work. Yet:

- Some explanations or interpolations may not be valid.

- It is likely that we can find a more refined way.

All in all, I would love to make people2vec, where we embed various psychological trains as vectors, as see which other parameters (scientific or not) we can reproduce. All in all, even IQ can be considered a personality trait (as it is correlated with other traits of personality, it is not a separate entity) http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/2014/04/...

Re: How the Magic: The Gathering Color Wheel Explains Humanity

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post #125

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Yet people heartily continue to believe in Peterson :D

What did he say that was false?

If anyone's lurking and wants to self-educate, this video is a good (and entertaining!) starting point: https://youtu.be/SEMB1Ky2n1E

Re: How the Magic: The Gathering Color Wheel Explains Humanity

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post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What did he say that was false?

I don't want to derail the discussion with irrelevant material, but to suggest that eating a beef-only diet cures autoimmune disorders is utterly unsupported by medical science, for one.

Many autoimmune disorders react to food, for example the infamous Celiac disease is an autoimmune reaction to gluten, that is present in many cereals (not only wheat).

So why beef only wouldn't work?

I have autoimmune diseases myself and have a very meat heavy diet, to me is what works, as soon I move to a more typical diet my health declines quickly.

Re: How the Magic: The Gathering Color Wheel Explains Humanity

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Drive to Work [1] is a great podcast. Most of it is, of course, about MtG, but there are a lot of episodes about various things like writing, creativity, or communication. Mark Rosewater is the head designer , which means that he is responsible for creating the general structure of a set [2] and not the various stages of fine tuning that happen later on. So there is a lot of content about designing for humans and lit…

Could you or GP recommend a few best of episodes?

Just off the top of my head: Feedback (545, 199), Human Nature (329), Teaching (415), Creativity (77, 551), Complexity (455), Stand-Up Comedy (347, 543), Interviews (335).

Re: How the Magic: The Gathering Color Wheel Explains Humanity

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If you're referring to the Turing completeness, the algorithm and cards that were found require both players to be acting in concert to achieve the Turing machine; either player could stop at any time. I don't see the fact that players can choose to act strangely in a game to be a reflection of the game itself. If you're talking about things like combining effects together that happen to cause an unbreakable infinite…

Your first statement is no longer true with the newest approach: it only requires a tournament-legal deck and the player piloting it to set up (and it could do so turn 1, though it's very unlikely to do so), and once set up it continues with only mandatory actions (neither player has any choices to make in the game, though either player could in principle concede). But such things are not something which comes up in…

> https://boardgames.stackexchange.com/questions/20325/will-in...

See https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Ending_the_game:

> 104.4b If a game that’s not using the limited range of influence option (including a two-player game) somehow enters a “loop” of mandatory actions, repeating a sequence of events with no way to stop, the game is a draw. Loops that contain an optional action don’t result in a draw.

One (very contrived) example is the "three Oblivion Ring[0]" loop. Start with no non-land permanents on the battlefield, then cast an Oblivion Ring. There are no valid targets for the "ETB" (enters the battlefield) trigger, so nothing happens. Then cast a second Oblivion Ring; the only valid target is the first Oblivion Ring, so it's exiled until the second one leaves the battlefield. Finally, cast a third Oblivion Ring; the only valid target is the first Oblivion Ring, which is then exiled, causing the first one to come back. The only valid target for the first one is the third one, so that one is exiled and the second one comes back. The only valid target for the second one is the first one, so that one is exiled and the third comes back. This goes on infinitely, assuming no player has any cards that can respond to the ETB triggers by either countering it, removing the Oblivion Ring currently on the battlefield in some way, or putting another valid target for an Oblivion Ring on the battlefield. This isn't likely to ever happen in a game, but with the current rules, it's technically possible.

[0]: https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multive...

Re: How the Magic: The Gathering Color Wheel Explains Humanity

#179
post #159

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Well until someone develops mind-reading technology, that's the most likely explanation someone reading your comment would have.

Or, alternate option, you can take it at face value in that he claimed a meat only diet helped him, using his public persona to push an agenda that is completely unsupported by science.

He wasn't "pushing an agenda". He was telling people about how a diet he went on helped him and his daughter. He explicitly stated multiple times that he wasn't a doctor and that his experience was anecdotal.

Re: How the Magic: The Gathering Color Wheel Explains Humanity

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post #178

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Your first statement is no longer true with the newest approach: it only requires a tournament-legal deck and the player piloting it to set up (and it could do so turn 1, though it's very unlikely to do so), and once set up it continues with only mandatory actions (neither player has any choices to make in the game, though either player could in principle concede). But such things are not something which comes up in…

> https://boardgames.stackexchange.com/questions/20325/will-in... See https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Ending_the_game : > 104.4b If a game that’s not using the limited range of influence option (including a two-player game) somehow enters a “loop” of mandatory actions, repeating a sequence of events with no way to stop, the game is a draw. Loops that contain an optional action don’t result in a draw. One (very contrived) e…

That rule is exactly where the the construction used becomes interesting: it's built in such a way so that if the turing machine halts, the player who set it up wins the game. If it doesn't, by the rule above, it's a draw. So it's fundamentally impossible to tell the result of an arbitrary setup (and in practice you could set it up such that it halts iff some unknown conjecture is true).

Regarding the oblivion ring loop, there's an example of it being used on MTGO, which doesn't end well (basically seems to crash the server and/or client): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGXG5rNe_tI

And here's the paper on the latest turing machine construction in mtg: https://arxiv.org/abs/1904.09828

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