Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: Moving from a startup to a big co, what should I be aware of?

news.ycombinator.com

31–40 of 168 posts

Re: Ask HN: Moving from a startup to a big co, what should I be aware of?

#31
> I find myself seeking out experiences from peers at these behemoths on how decisions are made and products get built there.

I think you will be mostly astounded at the lack of things you can learn from the way decisions are made inside big companies. Which is to say, they aren’t super rational organizations.

As a multiple FAANG alumni, I can tell you that decisions made are often strongly influenced by politics, individual executive “hunches,” and legacy tech concerns instead of raw cost/benefit or actual data.

The fact is, you’re going to make a lot more money doing much less work at FAANG.

However, very little of what you learn about how the organization runs will be valuable outside of the big organization itself.

Re: Ask HN: Moving from a startup to a big co, what should I be aware of?

#32
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* Things work slowly, so relax. The extent of this is hard to grasp outside of bigco. At oracle we had layoffs/reorg - no real work was done for ~7 days, and it took 3 months to figure out our new roles/responsibilities. Some people were paid $40k+ in that time period and did very little work. Things occasionally move very very slow. Twiddle your thumbs and be happy about your huge salary, don't quit like I did!

Seriously. I heard big companies were slow before but I didn’t realize the magnitude of it until I joined one. Most people where I work either only produce real work for anywhere between 40 to 10% of their time. The rest is either filled by busywork or twiddling your thumbs (depending on individuals)

Or meetings, meetings, and... more meetings!

My 2 cents:

As a contractor, charge a lot. They either have budget and want to spend it RIGHT NOW or they don't. The manager engaging you doesn't really care about your daily rate (relatively speaking).

Above comments on automation is spot on. Test suites might be terrible, so the care required to make changes without breaking things is your responsibility, hence the slow pace. What is in your control is the ability to automate your own testing.

Integration with poorly defined APIs is an important skill. You generally won't have another team maintaining and improving a nice API. You will have access to obscure data stores dumped untransformed in the data warehouse from another megacorp's expensive and poorly documented product, possibly with myriad ETL nuances (read: bugs). Learn to work with this and you can extract gold.

If you have a Windows SOE system, embrace Cygwin/similar.

Re: Ask HN: Moving from a startup to a big co, what should I be aware of?

#33

Here is what it means to work at a big company: * Things work slowly, so relax. There are many people that have a hand in every aspect of a product decision. * At a startup you are actively changing the world. That’s done now. Put that completely out of your head. You are cog in a machine. Instead focus on your assigned product, help your teammates, and just learn to relax. * You, the individual, are not important. T…

I came from multiple startups to a FANG and this advice is really good. Seriously, you’re going to need to relax.

Also I recommend reading “corporate confidential”. I was confused initially why being an excellent engineer who could “deliver” didn’t make me shine at bigco. The book helped me get on a better path.

Also relax.

Re: Ask HN: Moving from a startup to a big co, what should I be aware of?

#34

Here is what it means to work at a big company: * Things work slowly, so relax. There are many people that have a hand in every aspect of a product decision. * At a startup you are actively changing the world. That’s done now. Put that completely out of your head. You are cog in a machine. Instead focus on your assigned product, help your teammates, and just learn to relax. * You, the individual, are not important. T…

Why would I find it depressing if I’m risk averse? You sound like the only risk is getting fired for a random reason, which could also happen at a smaller corp.

Re: Ask HN: Moving from a startup to a big co, what should I be aware of?

#35
post #27

If you end up in a 'bad' company you may make these experiences: - there are feuds between companies or even departments in the same org - decisions are not based on facts but on political circumstances - the outcome of an analysis is often predetermined - not the best idea/project/etc. win's but the one with the best connections - decisions are made that are damaging to the company just to deny someone else in the o…

Spot on

Re: Ask HN: Moving from a startup to a big co, what should I be aware of?

#36
Here is my list.

* Things work a lot more slowly in big co's.

* There's a lot more ego involved so prepare for a lot of ass lickers(I really can't think of a better term).

* A lot of "meetings", "discussions", "planning" and so on, which often are just means to kick a can down the road.

* More time to relax.

* Nearly impossible to change the status quo, not impossible but a very slow and painful process.

* Often more freedom to experiment with technologies and proprietary solutions if you find a way to justify them(which is often not a difficult task).

* Plenty of ways to squeeze out training, seminars, certifications and whatnot, just make sure you read the tiny font at the bottom.

Re: Ask HN: Moving from a startup to a big co, what should I be aware of?

#37

Here is what it means to work at a big company: * Things work slowly, so relax. There are many people that have a hand in every aspect of a product decision. * At a startup you are actively changing the world. That’s done now. Put that completely out of your head. You are cog in a machine. Instead focus on your assigned product, help your teammates, and just learn to relax. * You, the individual, are not important. T…

[deleted]

Re: Ask HN: Moving from a startup to a big co, what should I be aware of?

#38

Here is what it means to work at a big company: * Things work slowly, so relax. There are many people that have a hand in every aspect of a product decision. * At a startup you are actively changing the world. That’s done now. Put that completely out of your head. You are cog in a machine. Instead focus on your assigned product, help your teammates, and just learn to relax. * You, the individual, are not important. T…

> At a startup you are actively changing the world.

That sounds very exciting. Can you point to one startup that's changing the world?

Re: Ask HN: Moving from a startup to a big co, what should I be aware of?

#39

Here is what it means to work at a big company: * Things work slowly, so relax. There are many people that have a hand in every aspect of a product decision. * At a startup you are actively changing the world. That’s done now. Put that completely out of your head. You are cog in a machine. Instead focus on your assigned product, help your teammates, and just learn to relax. * You, the individual, are not important. T…

> At a startup you are actively changing the world. That sounds very exciting. Can you point to one startup that's changing the world?

SpaceX?

Re: Ask HN: Moving from a startup to a big co, what should I be aware of?

#40
> All I’ve ever learnt over the last decade has been by > operating in a capital constrained environment.

Even in big companies you will be constrained by budgets, and possibly even more than you're used to. The big companies have money to try many different things, but normally products start small, and can be killed if they're not going to be profitable enough. Especially if you're ina leadership position, you're going to have to convince people to fund your products.

The other big thing to consider is politics. Don't get me wrong, politics are everywhere, even in startups, but there's a difference. You're going to have arguments with people that you can't go have a beer with after work, and you have to consider how that will affect your relationship after the argument.

Post reply on HN