Amazon sues former AWS marketing VP Brian Hall after he takes Google Cloud job
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Re: Amazon sues former AWS marketing VP Brian Hall after he takes Google Cloud job
#2"One of those Amazon HR executives, Paz Patel, responded with this message, according to Hall’s filing: “Congratulations, I had a feeling that you would land there. Very happy to hear this news.”
Would be surprised if Paz Patel is still employed at Amazon.
Re: Amazon sues former AWS marketing VP Brian Hall after he takes Google Cloud job
#3"One of those Amazon HR executives, Paz Patel, responded with this message, according to Hall’s filing: “Congratulations, I had a feeling that you would land there. Very happy to hear this news.” Would be surprised if Paz Patel is still employed at Amazon.
I'm not so sure. That's not quite AWS's brand of "needlessly vindictive." They aim that in other directions mostly...
Re: Amazon sues former AWS marketing VP Brian Hall after he takes Google Cloud job
#4i'm honestly just curious about the legal strategy at this point. Has Amazon won any of these suits?
Re: Amazon sues former AWS marketing VP Brian Hall after he takes Google Cloud job
#5It's interesting to see one of the basis of defense is promises made during offer stage.
Anecdotally speaking, and I am not remotely close to Hall's position or responsibilities (an engineer) and in the past, the hiring team has always led me to believe that the non-competes are a standard clause and are not likely to be enforced.
On a separate note, anybody knows if Google would help with legal defense of Hall or ignore this as a private matter?
Re: Amazon sues former AWS marketing VP Brian Hall after he takes Google Cloud job
#6It's interesting to see one of the basis of defense is promises made during offer stage. Anecdotally speaking, and I am not remotely close to Hall's position or responsibilities (an engineer) and in the past, the hiring team has always led me to believe that the non-competes are a standard clause and are not likely to be enforced. On a separate note, anybody knows if Google would help with legal defense of Hall or ig…
Google likely considered legal defense as part of the hiring cost when taking someone that high profile.
> the hiring team has always led me to believe that the non-competes are a standard clause and are not likely to be enforced.
Your average engineer is likely easily replaceable. Directors and VPs are hard to replace and a huge win for any company that successfully hires them.
Re: Amazon sues former AWS marketing VP Brian Hall after he takes Google Cloud job
#7i'm honestly just curious about the legal strategy at this point. Has Amazon won any of these suits?
From the article:
> Amazon similarly sued Philip Moyer, a former Amazon Web Services sales executive, after he took a job with Google Cloud last year. A judge ultimately agreed to limit some aspects of Moyer’s role at Google for the term of the agreement.
IIRC they've also won others in the past, yes.
I also imagine it's not just about actually winning but also about the fact that even if they lose every suit, it would still discourage employees from making the switch if they suspect they will have a legal fight ahead of them (even if the employee knows they'll win).
Re: Amazon sues former AWS marketing VP Brian Hall after he takes Google Cloud job
#8There is a chance that some people with a history worth sharing might not be, and never be, in a position to talk.
I personally think that non-compete agreements are a strange beast. On one side, you want to avoid people "switching sides" and bring important secrets with them, possibly the reason why they've been hired by a competitor.
On the other side, you want a competitive job market, so that people would get the salary they deserve and the position they deserve.
Re: Amazon sues former AWS marketing VP Brian Hall after he takes Google Cloud job
#9When there are only 3 companies that compete in a given space, how can job hopping not possibly violate a non-compete? Tech companies should stop using non-competes. Trade secret laws already cover the theft of IP and it just makes the rank-and-file support breaking up big companies.
Re: Amazon sues former AWS marketing VP Brian Hall after he takes Google Cloud job
#10There is a chance that some people with a history worth sharing might not be, and never be, in a position to talk. I personally think that non-compete agreements are a strange beast. On one side, you want to avoid people "switching sides" and bring important secrets with them, possibly the reason why they've been hired by a competitor. On the other side, you want a competitive job market, so that people would get the…
> bring important secrets with them
BS. That's what NDAs are for.