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The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients

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Re: The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients

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If you have a current Firefox that first diagram may not be correct for you. Let's tell a brief story about why. Servers, as Scott explains, are supposed to present a "chain" of certificates, in practice it's one leaf and then just anything else that might be useful for clients to assemble a trust path. If you do this everything works. But lots of servers are misconfigured and present only the leaf certificate, not l…

Interesting note about Firefox there. I've certainly expirenced the missing "missing intermediate cert" problem before. It is a bit of a nightmare to debug. 1. Had issue, raise support ticket: TLS not working 2. Ticket closed as can't reproduce 3. Try myself again locally, also can't reproduce. Hmpf! 4. 2 months goes by.. 5. Experience same issue. Debug more carefully locally, use openssl go get proof of missing inte…

You can often engage people, especially technical people who enjoy things being gameified - by showing them that Qualys gives them a lousy score for what they've done.

https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/

Also this lets you out-source the decisions about what's important versus what really doesn't matter to somebody else, and unless you've got (or can hire someone who has got) hours per week to read and digest work in this area that's likely going to mean better security in practice.

Re: The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients

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IIUC, you're saying there's no obvious way to make the TV stop using the Wifi network once you tell it the SSID + password. Couldn't you just change the wifi password?

It will continue trying to connect to your SSID. Failing of course, but it will still pollute your channel with garbage packets.

I really wish I could just remove the wifi chip. I'm tempted to take the rear panel off just to see if it's reasonably accessible.

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Someone on HN recently floated the idea of a company that would make quality, non-smart electronics and appliances that would also be easily serviceable. I wish this existed and would pay significantly more for products like this. To address your question, I think they’re all “smart” now. I ended up getting a low-end Samsung 4K a few months ago and it’s been good so far. It starts up very quickly, maybe 1-2 seconds.…

Never add your WiFi credentials you your TV. It doesn’t let you remove them so you’re only option is to create a “dummy” network (ex: phone as a hotspot) and switch to it. Also, watch out for clueless^helpful friends and relatives who try to “fix” your TV’s WiFi.

Also be aware that some smart TV's have been found to just connect to any open wifi, so even if you don't enter one and think your tv isn't spying, you could be wrong.

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(ot: should that be clueless^Whelpful, or is there some new convention I'm not aware of? ^ still means "ctrl" right?)

It's an old Unix convention: ^W (Ctrl-w) would remove a word using the Emacs keybindings. So in place of striking out a word, you'd put ^W and the replacement, as you would when typing it out ("clueless...err, no, wait... ctrl-W ...HELPFUL").

Gp missed "w".

Re: The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients

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I can't speak for their latest and greatest but the LG TVs I've used running webOS (Oled and LCD) work fine without ever being connected to a network. I have a C7P panel I've connected via Ethernet a couple times to update the firmware and it has continued to work offline just fine. They also support CEC so if the devices you're plugging into them support CEC you can just put the TV remove into a drawer and not worry…

> I have a C7P panel I've connected via Ethernet a couple times to update the firmware and it has continued to work offline just fine. You may want to be careful with this. On Amazon Kindles when you connect to WiFi it downloads ads and will keep showing those same ones forever if you never reconnect and let it fetch newer ads. Seems the TV doesn't do it yet, but it could be added in a firmware update. Unrelated, wha…

In my LG OLED there's actually an option to turn off ads in the GUI. It is off by default, amazingly. I've done a GDPR data request and unless they are hiding some of what they collect (which I doubt) they don't really collect anything crazy. The netflix client does a lot of phoning home though but I have blocked everything I don't want to connect.

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Unfortunately not. Having a tv set in the house here requires a licence even the thing is out of order

Interesting! I'm curious where "here" is, if you're happy to say...?

Potentially Ireland. That seems to match the licensing scheme here.

Re: The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients

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I begrudgingly bought a 'Smart TV' just because I wanted a 4K monitor. But I use it as a dumb monitor and watch app-based content through an Apple TV. At least I'm reasonably sure the Apple TV will be updated for 5-10 years, and is a lot more disposable than a giant TV. My last TV worked great for about 12 years. No way Panasonic would've kept supporting it that long. Honestly, the thing I hate most about smart TVs,…

No experience (or affiliation) with it, but I’ve heard some good things about https://ironcast.tv/

Re: The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients

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We had to deal with the sectigo / addtrust expiration. It was annoying because we reached out to our cert vendor and they had claimed it would not affect us (only affecting “legacy” systems or old browsers), but then of course it did affect us. It was an easy resolution, but still annoying. Of course, we still have people working on our stuff. If it were some abandoned hardware product I could see this being a disast…

We too were affected by the Sectigo / Addtrust expiration. Google's Uptime Checks couldn't verify the validity of the certificate and reported our website was down. While this was a false alert and it was easy to verify and circumvent it just shows that even companies like Google aren't prepared for something like this.

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I begrudgingly bought a 'Smart TV' just because I wanted a 4K monitor. But I use it as a dumb monitor and watch app-based content through an Apple TV. At least I'm reasonably sure the Apple TV will be updated for 5-10 years, and is a lot more disposable than a giant TV. My last TV worked great for about 12 years. No way Panasonic would've kept supporting it that long. Honestly, the thing I hate most about smart TVs,…

> ... I wanted a 4K monitor. To all the folks reading at home... I would remind everyone that a TV is not a monitor. I got a relatively inexpensive LG 43in TV to use as a desktop monitor. I've had issues. Beyond the usual "make sure your graphics card actually supports 4K" and such, you also need to take some time to dig through the TV settings when you are using it on a PC. In particular, you definitely want to turn…

As a side note, if you want to watch 4K video, keep in mind that as of right now, _the_ main draw of 4K is HDR (most 4K video out there is upscaled), and most cheaper 4K screens (both TVs and monitors) don't support HDR. Or if they claim they do, they only "support" HDR in that the monitor does tonemapping in hardware but can't render HDR colors.

The technology is still new enough that getting the cheapest 4K screen you can find is still a really bad deal.

Re: The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients

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> ... I wanted a 4K monitor. To all the folks reading at home... I would remind everyone that a TV is not a monitor. I got a relatively inexpensive LG 43in TV to use as a desktop monitor. I've had issues. Beyond the usual "make sure your graphics card actually supports 4K" and such, you also need to take some time to dig through the TV settings when you are using it on a PC. In particular, you definitely want to turn…

As a side note, if you want to watch 4K video, keep in mind that as of right now, _the_ main draw of 4K is HDR (most 4K video out there is upscaled), and most cheaper 4K screens (both TVs and monitors) don't support HDR. Or if they claim they do, they only "support" HDR in that the monitor does tonemapping in hardware but can't render HDR colors. The technology is still new enough that getting the cheapest 4K screen…

For my work desktop, the main thing was to have more terminal windows open. Video was a secondary concern.
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