The Impending Doom of Expiring Root CAs and Legacy Clients

Post by jjoonathan » Mon, Jun 08, 2020, 7:46 PM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #121

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Someone on HN recently floated the idea of a company that would make quality, non-smart electronics and appliances that would also be easily serviceable. I wish this existed and would pay significantly more for products like this. To address your question, I think they’re all “smart” now. I ended up getting a low-end Samsung 4K a few months ago and it’s been good so far. It starts up very quickly, maybe 1-2 seconds.…

> I’m just waiting for the day when all TVs require a working internet connection and we have to start hacking their hardware and software to protect our data. These days won't come. What will happen instead is TVs will start coming with embedded SIM cards for cellular data connection (prepaid or otherwise negotiated between TV vendors and telcos), and then we won't have any choice in the matter as consumers, short o…

Post by TeMPOraL » Mon, Jun 08, 2020, 7:50 PM UTC

jjoonathan wrote: post #131

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> I’m just waiting for the day when all TVs require a working internet connection and we have to start hacking their hardware and software to protect our data. These days won't come. What will happen instead is TVs will start coming with embedded SIM cards for cellular data connection (prepaid or otherwise negotiated between TV vendors and telcos), and then we won't have any choice in the matter as consumers, short o…

> These days won't come. These days are already here. My TCL bootloops if it doesn't have an internet connection to download ads from, and if you call support, they'll happily walk you through getting it connected to the network.

Post by the_pwner224 » Mon, Jun 08, 2020, 7:52 PM UTC

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #88

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I begrudgingly bought a 'Smart TV' just because I wanted a 4K monitor. But I use it as a dumb monitor and watch app-based content through an Apple TV. At least I'm reasonably sure the Apple TV will be updated for 5-10 years, and is a lot more disposable than a giant TV. My last TV worked great for about 12 years. No way Panasonic would've kept supporting it that long. Honestly, the thing I hate most about smart TVs,…

I went with RokuTV. They have the best long term support track record for old hardware. 4K Roku hardware is powerful enough. You don't get wedded to a platform that will be abandoned in four years. I have a Samsung smart TV for work tasks that has the most annoying behaviors built into it. It always insists on "identifying" an HDMI source which it can't do because I've never put it onto my network. Roku doesn't appea…

Post by the_pwner224 » Mon, Jun 08, 2020, 7:55 PM UTC

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I recently started looking for a new TV since my old “dumb” TV is starting to have image issues and they all seem to be “smart” these days. Seems like manufacturers have slashed prices by adding adware to the GUI of TV’s. Needless to say, I’ve been incredibly frustrated with my search.

I can't speak for their latest and greatest but the LG TVs I've used running webOS (Oled and LCD) work fine without ever being connected to a network. I have a C7P panel I've connected via Ethernet a couple times to update the firmware and it has continued to work offline just fine. They also support CEC so if the devices you're plugging into them support CEC you can just put the TV remove into a drawer and not worry…

Post by hanklazard » Mon, Jun 08, 2020, 8:03 PM UTC

koolba wrote: post #22

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Someone on HN recently floated the idea of a company that would make quality, non-smart electronics and appliances that would also be easily serviceable. I wish this existed and would pay significantly more for products like this. To address your question, I think they’re all “smart” now. I ended up getting a low-end Samsung 4K a few months ago and it’s been good so far. It starts up very quickly, maybe 1-2 seconds.…

Never add your WiFi credentials you your TV. It doesn’t let you remove them so you’re only option is to create a “dummy” network (ex: phone as a hotspot) and switch to it. Also, watch out for clueless^helpful friends and relatives who try to “fix” your TV’s WiFi.