How is this any different from Amazon offering the NHS Amazon RDS licenses for free/£1? Is the argument against this that the NHS not be allowed to use any cloud infrastructure, and that everything ought to be on-premise?
Britain gave Palantir access to sensitive COVID-19 patient records in £1 deal
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#62Why are some pages scanned and some plain text?
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#64Honestly borders to me on being de-facto undemocratic because I doubt a lot of British citizens are aware of this or that there has been any sort of meaningful consent given by patients to outsource their data to a foreign intelligence firm. When it comes to how to solve this I really think we need to fundamentally rethink data ownership both on a legal as well at a technical level. I was recently reading up on Tim B…
If that's what SOLID is, its a scam and more of his DRM promotion. There is no technical way to "revoke my access." Unless you have a memory erasing implant in my brain, if the data gets onto my screen, I can copy it and access it forever. Period. Fuck Tim Berners-Lee.
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#65Honestly borders to me on being de-facto undemocratic because I doubt a lot of British citizens are aware of this or that there has been any sort of meaningful consent given by patients to outsource their data to a foreign intelligence firm. When it comes to how to solve this I really think we need to fundamentally rethink data ownership both on a legal as well at a technical level. I was recently reading up on Tim B…
> in a way that puts formal limits on what they can do with it and how long they have access to it, and I as the patient have both the right and technical ability to revoke that access If that's what SOLID is, its a scam and more of his DRM promotion. There is no technical way to "revoke my access." Unless you have a memory erasing implant in my brain, if the data gets onto my screen, I can copy it and access it fore…
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#66How is this any different from Amazon offering the NHS Amazon RDS licenses for free/£1? Is the argument against this that the NHS not be allowed to use any cloud infrastructure, and that everything ought to be on-premise?
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#67Funny how no one wants to talk about the reason that the NHS is doing these deals. Of all the competent devs / data analyst in the UK, how many do you think actually want to work at the NHS? So lots of demand / need (healthcare is a mess in part because of data management via paper) and no supply / interest of talent.
I think many people talk about it but from a different context. The NHS is being de-funded by the same politicians whose friends benefit from these deals. Hard to hire competent people when your budget keeps getting cut.
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#68The article text seems to indicate that Palantir was offering data analysis software/services to the British government for a nominal fee. It doesn't seem like NHS was selling the data, they just needed some services, and paying £1 was required to bind Palantir in a contract. This title really seems like click-bait.
So the NHS wasn't selling the data to Palantir, just giving it away?
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#69How is this any different from Amazon offering the NHS Amazon RDS licenses for free/£1? Is the argument against this that the NHS not be allowed to use any cloud infrastructure, and that everything ought to be on-premise?
AWS do not have the legal right to use data in an RDS-managed database, and there would be hell to pay in terms of off-AWS migrations if they were ever found to be using customer data where they claim not to. Palantir is not a "cloud service" in the same way.
As far as I'm aware, Palantir doesn't claim to share data between its customers. It works with governments all over the world — ostensibly this means that either Palantir agrees to not share its customers data with other customers, or every government is implicitly consenting to their citizens' data being accessed by every other government.
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#70How is this any different from Amazon offering the NHS Amazon RDS licenses for free/£1? Is the argument against this that the NHS not be allowed to use any cloud infrastructure, and that everything ought to be on-premise?
Rather than being some ostensibly neutral cloud, Palantir was/is CIA funded. So data straight into CIA/NSA/whomevers hands.
Why would any government consent to working with Palantir if they had any suspicion that their data might be used by US government clandestine agencies?