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You only make insurance cheaper by charging risky people more. Right now it is mostly laws that protect categories of people that keep insurance companies from charging people more. What’s the plan here, use machine learning in a “hands off” way with a black box algorithm to apply pricing discrimination in a way that a human could not because of regulation?

I'm tangentially involved in the insurance space and I believe Lemonade is trying to use machine learning to process claims because:

- Processing claims with humans is expensive; every step that can be accomplished by a computer will probably be cheaper.

- A claim processed via ML will probably be handled fast. A fast response = happy customer, which helps with retention. This is a big one.

- A claim that is processed and closed quickly is harder to amend. Some customers slowly realize that adding items to a claim is free money. Others (legitimately) forgot items and want to add them. A quick claim is usually cheaper than one that might take a few days (or weeks) to process.

- Younger generations are more used to working with a web pages and will likely look at humans (e.g. agents) as old-fashioned.

The big carriers are both scared and dubious of Lemonade. If Lemonade can somehow make it work they could do serious damage to the carriers. But it's hard to see how they'll make the numbers work, as their current losses show. Most of the carriers are trying to implement something similar (which is where I'm slightly involved).

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not disagreeing that is part of the strategy, but also it is worth thinking how much overhead there is in the insurance industry. How many offices are there nationwide? How many of the jobs are essentially basic data ingestion? Approving of claims? How much is spent on advertising? Probably a fair amount of fat to trim.

Does anyone know what an insurance agent makes? If I go to my local State Farm office to get a home owners policy, what is the cut that goes to the local office/agent?

You can make a guess based on rent and salaries. Those aren't amazing businesses, probably the median one nets a few grand per month.

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They've somehow managed to build an insurance company that loses money. Incredible.

Am working at similar insurance "tech" company.

Maybe you'd be surprised at how easy it is to lose money... At least - to me - it seems hard to be profitable with the margins required to have a silicon valley office + salaries. The company I'm at is very worried about loss ratio. You oversubscribe to one region because you're competitive there and some minor weather event happens - bad time. Even if your company isn't paying directly for losses, you lose lots of money in having to handle claims and you lose leverage with contracts in the future with the people who do actually pay out the claims.

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"In our model, we minimize any incentive to deny legitimate claims as we aim to give back, rather than pocket, leftover monies. After our customers purchase a policy, we ask them to designate a charitable cause for us to support with the residual premiums from their policy. Despite there being no contractual obligation requiring us to donate leftover premiums to nonprofits, when a customer embellishes a claim, such customer reduces the total amount available that can be contributed to nonprofits. As a result, we believe customers are less inclined to embellish claims as they would be hurting a nonprofit they care about, rather than an insurance company they do not."

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You only make insurance cheaper by charging risky people more. Right now it is mostly laws that protect categories of people that keep insurance companies from charging people more. What’s the plan here, use machine learning in a “hands off” way with a black box algorithm to apply pricing discrimination in a way that a human could not because of regulation?

I'm tangentially involved in the insurance space and I believe Lemonade is trying to use machine learning to process claims because: - Processing claims with humans is expensive; every step that can be accomplished by a computer will probably be cheaper. - A claim processed via ML will probably be handled fast. A fast response = happy customer, which helps with retention. This is a big one. - A claim that is processe…

It also seems they may see this filing as a way to reinforce their marketing as a “good” company that directs funds where they say they do. I could imagine them telling their customers to buy their stock as a way to be involved with how they operate.

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In my case Lemonade was by far the cheapest option for renters insurance - even cheaper than bundeling with my auto insurance. Glad to see the company is doing well. I suppose it's greatest risk is incumbents offering more aggressive bundle pricing. So It'd be interesting to see if Lemonade could expand into the auto insurance sphere. Actually from the S1: > in February 2020, we announced our intention to launch pet…

They were cheaper for me until I realized they don't cover earthquakes, and then they became much more expensive than bundling with USAA sadly. I'd definitely be interested in them for most types of insurances though. They're super easy to use and importantly, super easy to cancel.

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In parallel to this growth of topline and increasing efficiencies, our gross loss ratio declined steadily from 161% in 2017, to 113% in 2018, to 79% in 2019 and to 72% for the three months ended March 31, 2020. See "Management's Discussion and Analysis of Financial Condition and Results of Operations — Key Operating and Financial Metrics." Seems like a struggle to get to profitability. With the ratio of closing the g…

Thanks the Fed's policy of Leave No Investor behind, the NASDAQ is +10% on the year. So many of the deals will get done, somewhat irrespective of L/T, M/T profitability. Investors have too much cash and no where good to put it.

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As a company trying to donate their leftover cash to charity, what's the benefit of being public? Won't being beholden to shareholders mean wanting to increase shareholder value vs upholding their commitment to charity?

Where does it state they're giving all "leftover" cash to charity? I guess it says it at the beginning but it sounds like marketing speak. What is even "leftover" anyway?

> Our 2019 annual Giveback for the 12 month period ended June 30, 2019 amounted to about 1.5% of earned premiums.

They take 25% on all premium to begin with. From what I know - standard in the industry is somewhere between 20-25% cut. So, for them to take effectively 23.5% isn't weird at all.

If they go public - their employees can cash out. There's no way anyone at Lemonade will stay unless that stock everyone is earning gets paid out.

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You only make insurance cheaper by charging risky people more. Right now it is mostly laws that protect categories of people that keep insurance companies from charging people more. What’s the plan here, use machine learning in a “hands off” way with a black box algorithm to apply pricing discrimination in a way that a human could not because of regulation?

I'm tangentially involved in the insurance space and I believe Lemonade is trying to use machine learning to process claims because: - Processing claims with humans is expensive; every step that can be accomplished by a computer will probably be cheaper. - A claim processed via ML will probably be handled fast. A fast response = happy customer, which helps with retention. This is a big one. - A claim that is processe…

What happens when regulators require disclosure of claim handling ML models, as they already regulate insurance rates?

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You only make insurance cheaper by charging risky people more. Right now it is mostly laws that protect categories of people that keep insurance companies from charging people more. What’s the plan here, use machine learning in a “hands off” way with a black box algorithm to apply pricing discrimination in a way that a human could not because of regulation?

At most big old and public insurance companies, claims payable represents a significant chunk of expenses, but not even close to 100% (it's closer to 60-70%). The rest is, generally, "administration" (humans processing papers, and managing humans processing papers, in cushy offices). This is where better technology can result in lower costs. It's a volume/unit-cost game. Their unit cost per person is maybe a few cent…

> At most big old and public insurance companies, claims payable represents a significant chunk of expenses, but not even close to 100% (it's closer to 60-70%).

By law, it's required to be at least 80%.

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