Why does he mention .NET? I have not heard of Clojure being available on the .NET stack.
He mentions .NET in the same breath as the JVM because they're almost identically positioned and have almost identical capabilities.
Steve Yegge's foreword to Joy of Clojure
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Re: Steve Yegge's foreword to Joy of Clojure
#62Just a word.. not that it is really relevant but I wanted to share this with fellow hackers. To encourage the Clojure community/language, I've pre-ordered the book Joy of Clojure on amazon. On the book's website, it is clearly stated that you also get a free pdf of the book before the release date . So, I was pretty enthusiastic about starting to read the book. But then, I find out that you only get the pdf if you or…
I'd have to see their actual email before I decide whether you are over-reacting. If they actually wrote "Fu, it's your problem, etc." then no you aren't over-reacting at all. I very much doubt that I would summarize their email the same way, however.
Re: Steve Yegge's foreword to Joy of Clojure
#63Why does he mention .NET? I have not heard of Clojure being available on the .NET stack.
Actually, there is https://github.com/richhickey/clojure-clr, but the JVM is still the preferred platform for Clojure (although I'm sure the CLR version would be picked up once someone comes around that cares enough or in the hypothetical event that Oracle would ruin the JVM platform somehow).
Re: Steve Yegge's foreword to Joy of Clojure
#64Just a word.. not that it is really relevant but I wanted to share this with fellow hackers. To encourage the Clojure community/language, I've pre-ordered the book Joy of Clojure on amazon. On the book's website, it is clearly stated that you also get a free pdf of the book before the release date . So, I was pretty enthusiastic about starting to read the book. But then, I find out that you only get the pdf if you or…
Amazon just told me my pre-order was cancelled because the book was discontinued by the publisher. There must be some kind of misunderstanding?
I am in Germany, so ordering from Amazon seemed to be the fastest and cheapest way to get the book. But now I'm considering ordering from Manning.
Re: Steve Yegge's foreword to Joy of Clojure
#65Just a word.. not that it is really relevant but I wanted to share this with fellow hackers. To encourage the Clojure community/language, I've pre-ordered the book Joy of Clojure on amazon. On the book's website, it is clearly stated that you also get a free pdf of the book before the release date . So, I was pretty enthusiastic about starting to read the book. But then, I find out that you only get the pdf if you or…
You gave a significant chunk of their profit to Amazon; it would be nice if they still gave you the PDF (which is the bonus for ordering directly from them), but not doing so is just "not nice", not rage-worthy. If you really wanted it, you could have cancelled your Amazon order and placed your order with manning...
It's definitely high up on the "not nice" scale, because sending him the PDF would cost them a grand total of zero dollars and zero cents. Not sending him the PDF has probably cost them at least one book sale.
Re: Steve Yegge's foreword to Joy of Clojure
#66It would be nice, when there is a thread on Clojure, if at least one person chimed in and gave an example of a problem where this lisp dialect on JVM helped them to solve a problem faster than using an existing language, like Python, C#, Java, or whatever. "Drinking through a fire hose", "understanding corner cases", and such are just euphemisms. Where's the beef?
I learned Clojure with Joy of Clojure, the early access version, coming from a Python background with very little practical experience in Java or Lisp. It's an excellent book. The biggest advantage for my coding has actually been in my day-to-day Python work, where I'm much improved at designing functionally, parallelizing with multiprocessing, and building decorators and context functions to remove boilerplate code.…
Interesting. Would you say that it's worth reading, even if I don't intend to program Clojure at all in the next few years, but I am a Python programmer?
Re: Steve Yegge's foreword to Joy of Clojure
#67Just a word.. not that it is really relevant but I wanted to share this with fellow hackers. To encourage the Clojure community/language, I've pre-ordered the book Joy of Clojure on amazon. On the book's website, it is clearly stated that you also get a free pdf of the book before the release date . So, I was pretty enthusiastic about starting to read the book. But then, I find out that you only get the pdf if you or…
Had the same happening with Pragmatic Programmers.
I must admit that I would not think too badly about somebody who decided to torrent a PDF of a hardcover book he owns.
Thinking about it, maybe publishers could give out PDFs if there was a good way to prove ownership of the paper edition? If you ordered through Manning, they know you bought it, if you order through Amazon, they don't.
Re: Steve Yegge's foreword to Joy of Clojure
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
You gave a significant chunk of their profit to Amazon; it would be nice if they still gave you the PDF (which is the bonus for ordering directly from them), but not doing so is just "not nice", not rage-worthy. If you really wanted it, you could have cancelled your Amazon order and placed your order with manning...
It's definitely high up on the "not nice" scale, because sending him the PDF would cost them a grand total of zero dollars and zero cents. Not sending him the PDF has probably cost them at least one book sale.
It's not about the PDF copy having zero marginal cost. Manning is a business that is trying to offer an incentive for customers to buy direct from them. Are you suggesting that they destroy their own value add?
Also, I seriously doubt that Manning responded to d0m's request by literally saying:
"Fu, it's your problem, next time buy it at manning, not amazon"
Pronounced "F-U" and not "foo".
The moment you twist someone's wording to sound that aggressive, you're overreacting.
Re: Steve Yegge's foreword to Joy of Clojure
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's definitely high up on the "not nice" scale, because sending him the PDF would cost them a grand total of zero dollars and zero cents. Not sending him the PDF has probably cost them at least one book sale.
It's not about the PDF copy having zero marginal cost. Manning is a business that is trying to offer an incentive for customers to buy direct from them. Are you suggesting that they destroy their own value add? Also, I seriously doubt that Manning responded to d0m's request by literally saying: "Fu, it's your problem, next time buy it at manning, not amazon" Pronounced "F-U" and not "foo". The moment you twist someon…
I don't know if I would consider emailing a PDF to a customer who made an honest mistake "destroying your value add".
I've given some paid members on setformarriage.com free lifetime accounts because they were consistently forwarding us emails from the spam profiles that made it through our filters. I think the value of overall goodwill to the customers is probably worth it.
Re: Steve Yegge's foreword to Joy of Clojure
#70Just a word.. not that it is really relevant but I wanted to share this with fellow hackers. To encourage the Clojure community/language, I've pre-ordered the book Joy of Clojure on amazon. On the book's website, it is clearly stated that you also get a free pdf of the book before the release date . So, I was pretty enthusiastic about starting to read the book. But then, I find out that you only get the pdf if you or…
...but you saved a lot by ordering it on amazon: 45 (manning)-26(amazon)=$19 savings. Is the pdf worth $19?