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Re: Ask HN: My boss ask I take my emails while on vacation

#41
There is both opportunity and threat hidden here.

Threat - if the program/project genuinely requires that the manager needs to on emails regularly and if you don't give what it takes to a manager of those programs/projects, they might replace you with someone who does.

Opportunity - if you check your emails in vacation and take proper action, then you will gain trust from management and they don't even bother whether you are in office or in vacation. they might even give more responsibilities.

Because business never goes on vacation, you cannot tell customers that key person is in vacation. You can find someone to act as a manager when you are on vacation. But that person might replace you, if you are not very careful.

Re: Ask HN: My boss ask I take my emails while on vacation

#43
In a larger company, you have people who can realistically take on your duties. In a company that small, it doesn't seem like anyone can fully. You are a small enough company that you're almost in that realm of nobody really gets a vacation, you just take time off and hope there's not any emergencies that require you jumping back into work.

Re: Ask HN: My boss ask I take my emails while on vacation

#44
From the corporate perspective, the problem is that work should not, and cannot, shutdown, because you've gone on vacation. In a company of sufficient resource, you would normally be able to offload the management onto someone else for the duration (eg your #2, or a peer)

But this is not your case -- you have only 6 people -- there's no one to offload onto. The size of your group is such that everyone is presumably vital to the operation, and cannot be removed without surgical intervention.

So you're in the state of having to do one of two things:

1. Solve the problem for the company, and somehow institute policies, tasks and responsibilities to allow your resources to survive on their own for some time (you need to eventually do this anyways so you can work on higher level things)

2. Work minimum hours during vacation to make sure nothing blows up

3. Work no hours during vacation, and if it blows up, it blows up (and accept the backlash for it)

The key thing is that having such responsibilities means that you can't leave things in a broken state -- if that means you have to work extra hours to keep things working, so be it.

Re: Ask HN: My boss ask I take my emails while on vacation

#45
I'd come at this from the point of view that no, holiday means no contact.

It is not "normal" for managers to be available to be called while they're on holiday. When I've been in management roles the rules have been the same as non-management rules. Holiday is holiday: you're not there.

What that means is, if your manager needs support while you're away, you and he need to have a discussion about what cover looks like such that you personally don't need to be there. What can you delegate up or down? Is there a peer you can hand some responsibilities off to temporarily?

If he's not willing to have that discussion at all, that's a real problem, but I'd approach it as a problem to be mutually solved.

Re: Ask HN: My boss ask I take my emails while on vacation

#46

This is completely unacceptable. I work for a small company of 9, with 3 programmers (me being one). On vacation we all unplug to the fullest extent. It's all about setting expectations, having redundancy and backups. In fact, the boss hired me so that he could do exactly this, unplug and leave the country to have a solid vacation. I tend to either unplug all the way, or make it impossible to contact me by either bei…

For every position in the company, there needs to be someone who can fill in if the need arises. You already need that anyway in case someone has a serious accident or something, so you might as well make use of that when people go on vacation.

Re: Ask HN: My boss ask I take my emails while on vacation

#47
For a startup with only 6 people and you are one of the managers/leaders of managing others, there could be exceptions the team needs your decision while you are out on vacation.

This depends on the work culture at your company and in the country you are in as the labor law and norms varies. My own experience has been that it's entirely possible (imaging your 2 direct reports are roadblocked waiting for you to make a decision) and your role is so crucial that your boss depends on your to make an informed decision, your attendance on email responses could be important. Obviously, if it's a short vacation and everything is planned out and prepared for, your response on emails would probably not needed.

Again, I don't think there is a common scene here you can find on HN.

Re: Ask HN: My boss ask I take my emails while on vacation

#48
I have always applied the unofficial policy that if an employer needs me in an 'emergency' (ie. to do something at short notice when I wouldn't otherwise be working for them), then I will do it, but will round up the time rather generously and take that amount of extra time off elsewhere.

For example, boss calls interrupting my sunbathing session needing advice on how to fix something. Call is 14 minutes. I'm going to either bill that as an hour, or take another hour off sometime.

Doesn't apply if its because I've done my job badly (ie. didn't properly document some procedure, so now someone else needs help following it).

Re: Ask HN: My boss ask I take my emails while on vacation

#49

If the company is only 6 people I don't think it's unreasonable to ask you to check email. Small companies need to project as bigger than they are to potential clients and answering your emails helps that illusion. Just take 20 minutes and do it after lunch.

It is unreasonable. It’s just been normalized in certain settings. I’ve been in teams like that, and having to check in while on vacation makes it hard to take your mind off of work. Its one thing if my manager asks for my cell phone in case there’s a true emergency. But having me check my email every weekday? No. Boundaries are healthy.

I’m never again working in an environment like that if I can help it unless the company really makes it worth it, and let’s be frank most small companies can’t afford to do that.

Re: Ask HN: My boss ask I take my emails while on vacation

#50

That's normal, sort of. For context: I've worked in a 6 person startup as a founder, a 60 person startup as management, and right now a tech giant as a peon. My policy for myself and anyone under me has been the same in all three cases, and it's been consistent with my colleagues in all three cases. (Exception: there are 100%, definitely, guaranteed, examples of unreasonable managers at the tech giant I work for, I'm…

This is all great advice. My company uses slack instead of email, what’s helped me is silencing slack but telling people they can call me if there’s a fire. Before then I set up all the systems I can to prevent anything from slipping through, so I haven’t been called on vacation yet.

It’s all about setting expectations and delegating responsibility in advance.

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