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That's admirable in theory, but sounds like a recipe for getting your head blown off. There really are unrepentantly awful people in the world, and sometimes we need to save innocents from them.
On the other side of that extreme, you'll take cops filling innocent people with lead?
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I still live in Minneapolis and most people that I know want to stay. Everyone who watched the video knows George Floyd was murdered, but the MPD and its union still want to fight their termination and all charges. MPD response to protesters has been incompetent, callous, and malicious. The majority of MPD are suburban Trump supporters and like all Trump supporters they can't stand progressive places like Minneapolis…
All public sector unions should be banned, I'm not going to fight you on that one. But, again, I just don't share this optimism. >The majority of MPD are suburban Trump supporters and like all Trump supporters they can't stand progressive places like Minneapolis. Maybe things have changed since I moved away in 2013, but this wasn't true back then. Both parents of one of my classmates in elementary school were cops an…
Sounds like you never really knew what's going on here. The MPD is incompetent and wiping the slate clean is not an extreme position to many people here.
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The doc is really weird. It picks and evaluates dimensions that obviously will improve after disbanding the police, but doesn’t try to address the question if the actual safety will improve. Instead it looks at whether disbanding the police will “ challenge the notion that police increase safety?” wtf. Also hard to believe that more training and bodycams have negative effect on actual quality of policing and safety.…
> Also hard to believe that more training and bodycams have negative effect [...] The police use body cameras for real-time facial recognition of the policed [1]. It 100% has, and explicitly is, a negative effect. It was a right of center “reform” on the police that did nothing but further expand the power (and future of abuse of power) of our policing institutions. [1] https://theintercept.com/2017/03/22/real-time-f…
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The state of New South Wales (NSW), Australia has a Law Enforcement Conduct Commission (LECC) [1], which is a body legally separate from NSW's law enforcement agencies–NSW Police Force, which is the main state police force; NSW Crime Commission, which specialises in organised crime and other serious crime–and which is tasked with investigating law enforcement misconduct. (In Australia, there is no local law enforceme…
Part of me wants to ask “but who investigates the Inspector of the LECC?” But I’ve dealt with Elixir and I know that supervision trees rarely need to be very deep in practice
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Does population size really matter? We are talking about interactions at most of a few people to a few people. Whether it be Auckland with a population of circa a million or NY with their population - I don't think it matters when you are talking about the interactions of a few people. I am a kiwi, but have lived in Japan for two decades as well. You could just about swap out my mentions of NZ for Japan as a second e…
Points that I see different are: - there're terrorists, they have attacked the US and might try to attack again. Police is the 1st line of defense. - Both Japan and NZ are island s. Border control is easier to some extent. There criminals crossing borders with drugs and other illegal stuff - and illegal immigrants as well. - Social differences: hundreds of billionaires, billions of poor people. - Race differences: pe…
https://medium.com/s/story/fearing-for-our-lives-82ad7eb7d75...
I don't think the reasons you have given should give the U.S police license to default act aggressively towards others - due to being in fear of their lives.
From my perspective, the U.S. police are not in fear of their lives through fear of immigrants or terrorists. They are trained to be in fear of someone having a gun pointed at them.
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Does population size really matter? We are talking about interactions at most of a few people to a few people. Whether it be Auckland with a population of circa a million or NY with their population - I don't think it matters when you are talking about the interactions of a few people. I am a kiwi, but have lived in Japan for two decades as well. You could just about swap out my mentions of NZ for Japan as a second e…
Please, don't get me wrong, I have all the respect to NZ, that I consider a heaven in the Earth. My initial sentence might have sounded harsh but I didn't mean to.
'kia mihi'
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What country do you live in?
The Netherlands. I assume for some more Northern European and Scandinavian countries it's about the same.
This is a tangent, there also seems to be way, way less paperwork in routine police work in the Netherlands than in America.
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But this was true of Camden before its police reform as well. From the linked article: > He led the city’s high-profile pivot to community policing from 2013 until last year and oversaw what turned out to be a steep decline in crime. Homicides in Camden reached 67 in 2012; the figure for 2019 was 25.
Wouldn't that suggest that the problem hasn't been solved? That there is some other issue? I'm not familiar with Camden or the reforms, so maybe there are other metrics by which things have improved. However, "top 0.2% of American cities in terms of per capita crime rate" is an awfully condemning statistic.
That's significant improvement. Waiting until you can "solve crime" seems unproductive.
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On the other side of that extreme, you'll take cops filling innocent people with lead?
For every wrong shooting, there's what, maybe a hundred righteous ones? A thousand? Yes, I'll take it for now, and advocate for improvements.
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The answer is in the article itself. The goal of disbanding the police is so that you can rebuild it from the ground up. It does not mean 'no police ever', it means clearing out the weeds by the roots so that they don't choke the new trees you're trying to plant.
guerilla's comment about police abolitionists says that the police would be abolished , that is, not exist anymore. That's not realistic, and I assumed "disbanding" meant what you said. But how would that work in practice? What happens in the interim? Does another PD take over temporarily? Are any members of the old police force allowed to re-join the new one? What happens to cases currently under investigation? I sa…