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Largest Known Maya Structure Found

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Re: Largest Known Maya Structure Found

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It's kind of impressive they accomplished so much without inventing the wheel... or has that been debunked and is just long outdated information?

The hard thing isn't the wheel, it's the axle. For that, you need a precision that it's difficult to get without at least bronze tools.

Yeah, to add to your comment, this link has some more detailed explanations regarding the wheel+axle combo: https://www.livescience.com/18808-invention-wheel.html

It is also worth pondering why wheel+axle was invented so late even in Eurasia (after bronze alloys were invented and adopted, only around 5.5 kya, many thousands of years after agriculture).

This fact has changed my perspective on how much infrastructure already must exist to enable large wheels that rotate smoothly around an axis. Knowing that, it is no longer shocking that one might make toy wheels, and never scale them up to large ones.

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Llama is Incan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llama#/media/File:Lama_glama_V...

Sure, but the Mayans vaguely knew about them.

The Mayan collapse occurred 700 years before the Inca Empire was founded (and the Aztec Empire, for what it's worth).

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Sure, but the Mayans vaguely knew about them.

The Mayan collapse occurred 700 years before the Inca Empire was founded (and the Aztec Empire, for what it's worth).

Did the Inca genetically engineer llamas? Clearly they were around before the Inca, just like they are still around, even after the Inca.

Re: Largest Known Maya Structure Found

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> Abstract: Archaeologists have traditionally thought that the development of Maya civilization was gradual, assuming that small villages began to emerge during the Middle Preclassic period (1000–350 BC; dates are calibrated throughout) along with the use of ceramics and the adoption of sedentism1. Recent finds of early ceremonial complexes are beginning to challenge this model. Here we describe an airborne lidar survey and excavations of the previously unknown site of Aguada Fénix (Tabasco, Mexico) with an artificial plateau, which measures 1,400 m in length and 10 to 15 m in height and has 9 causeways radiating out from it. We dated this construction to between 1000 and 800 BC using a Bayesian analysis of radiocarbon dates. To our knowledge, this is the oldest monumental construction ever found in the Maya area and the largest in the entire pre-Hispanic history of the region. Although the site exhibits some similarities to the earlier Olmec centre of San Lorenzo, the community of Aguada Fénix probably did not have marked social inequality comparable to that of San Lorenzo. Aguada Fénix and other ceremonial complexes of the same period suggest the importance of communal work in the initial development of Maya civilization.

The "the community of Aguada Fénix probably did not have marked social inequality comparable to that of San Lorenzo" claim seems to be explained by:

> It is also likely that social inequality at Aguada Fénix was not as pronounced as at San Lorenzo and La Venta. Unlike those Olmec centres, Aguada Fénix does not exhibit clear indicators of marked social inequality, such as sculptures representing high-status individuals. The only stone sculpture found so far at Aguada Fénix depicts an animal (Extended Data Fig. 10).

This seems like a stretch to me considering the excavation is not complete (?), but at least the limestone peccary was named 'Choco' :)

> Cache AF1, found in operation AF1D. It contained a limestone sculpture—possibly representing a white-lipped peccary—that we named ‘Choco’.

Free to access images (the maps at the beginning and the artifacts at the end are the most interesting to a layman like me): https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2343-4#Sec15

DOI: https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-020-2343-4

Placement within Mexico for context: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Tabasco_...

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23436526

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A one-word comment referencing an extremely sensational theme clearly is shallow. Even if it was rooted in deep thought on your part, that's a distinction without a difference, because the issue is the effects on the future thread (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...).

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It's a yes and no kinda thing, last time I checked in on it. There are examples of children's toys with wheels made by Mayans, but examples of wheeled vehicles don't exist. There's an argument that they lacked suitable beasts of burden to pull vehicles (at best is a llama, which isn't really great at pulling), so that might be why, but that's ultimately conjecture.

Note that China made extensive use of undrawn sailbarrows to carry things over long distances.

What's an "undrawn sailbarrow"? Your comment is the only thing that shows up on Google search.

Re: Largest Known Maya Structure Found

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It's tragic how little we know about the Maya compared to what we could have known. Thousands of books were destroyed, primarily by one Spanish bishop, and only four survive today[1]. If that hadn't of happened, it's possible we could have known as much about the Maya as we do about the Ancient Greeks.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_codices

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There's a show on Netflix I think, called Lost Cities that uses Lidar in this way.

Speaking of Lost Cities, I've been watching the 80s cartoon Mysterious Cities of Gold with my kids. Highly recommended. It's a lost gem about the time of conquistadors in southern and central America - well written for a kids show, entertaining for adults, continuous story arc like modern shows, and a nice mix of history and science fiction.

Re: Largest Known Maya Structure Found

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Mayan collapse occurred 700 years before the Inca Empire was founded (and the Aztec Empire, for what it's worth).

Did the Inca genetically engineer llamas? Clearly they were around before the Inca, just like they are still around, even after the Inca.

It's a domestic species, just like, say, modern cattle are domesticated aurochs. The wild equivalents are the guanacoes. They may be physically very similar, but they're different behaviourally.

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Note that China made extensive use of undrawn sailbarrows to carry things over long distances.

What's an "undrawn sailbarrow"? Your comment is the only thing that shows up on Google search.

It's a fairly conventional manned wheelbarrow, but with a sail to assist.
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