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Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

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Post by ncallaway » Sun, Jun 07, 2020, 7:50 PM UTC

axguscbklp wrote: post #88

eganist wrote: post #54

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> there's a certain misery that comes with [...] watching 10,000 people pack together downtown exercising their right to free assembly, and likely undoing all those months of progress. Yep, that's called privilege. And I'm not even trying to be snarky. From the perspective of the protesters, taking this opportunity to protest and possibly achieve change means hopefully lowering the general mortality risk for generati…

But are the protests really founded on something significant? If they focused simply on police brutality regardless of race, that would be one thing, but the general narrative seems to be that there is a big problem of white-on-black violence in the form of cops. Now, there is such a problem, but this ignores the wider context that in this country, black-on-white violence is a much bigger problem than white-on-black…

> But are the protests really founded on something significant?

Fuck yes, they are.

Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

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Post by matwood » Sun, Jun 07, 2020, 7:50 PM UTC

SPQT wrote: post #16

Not a surprise, COVID19 is pretty soft compared to the historic pandemics. I'm actually suprised that this continued for so long, I gave the lockdowns 4 week, but I guess the media propaganda blessed it with longer life. Just to clarify about Covid: -The highest deathrate from it is around 1%, CDC reports 0.30 lately. -Hits predominantly the old parts of the population -The death comes in a normal way - pneumonia ->…

The problem was never the death rate alone. It was the death rate plus the high infection rate that was problematic. Even a low rate of .3-1 (which was always the estimated rate iirc) is going to kill a lot of people given how infectious COVID-19 has shown to be.

Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

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Post by DennisAleynikov » Sun, Jun 07, 2020, 7:51 PM UTC

enraged_camel wrote: post #51

war1025 wrote: post #3

A thing I've noticed is that they stopped mentioning the daily numbers on the radio (NPR, more specifically Iowa Public Radio). It's sort of like the media has extracted all the juice they can from the pandemic and now we're just left with the pulpy mess that no one really wants to deal with.

>>It's sort of like the media has extracted all the juice they can from the pandemic NPR is not "the media". It is one media outlet out of many. Furthermore, NPR's website (along with that of all major media outlets) still contains live updates, trackers, charts. The only difference now is they have taken a backseat to the much more immediate and relevant news, which are the protests. edit: lmao, i guess people disli…

its a similar effect on fivethirtyeight, they were closely monitoring covid with most articles, then switched to 'protests good, what is covid-19?' as the 'justified' protests have taken place

Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

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Post by danbolt » Sun, Jun 07, 2020, 7:51 PM UTC

axguscbklp wrote: post #118

ribasushi wrote: post #111

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> in this country, black-on-white violence is a much bigger problem than white-on-black violence In the interest of discourse, I am genuinely curious: how did you arrive at the quoted statement? Links to anything that would allow me to understand your view will be very much appreciated.

2018 FBI homicide statistics: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-... 514 black-on-white homicides, 234 white-on-black homicides.

How do you feel about those numbers compared to the intra-racial ones listed in the same table?

Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

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Post by enraged_camel » Sun, Jun 07, 2020, 7:51 PM UTC

DennisAleynikov wrote: post #133

enraged_camel wrote: post #51

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>>It's sort of like the media has extracted all the juice they can from the pandemic NPR is not "the media". It is one media outlet out of many. Furthermore, NPR's website (along with that of all major media outlets) still contains live updates, trackers, charts. The only difference now is they have taken a backseat to the much more immediate and relevant news, which are the protests. edit: lmao, i guess people disli…

its a similar effect on fivethirtyeight, they were closely monitoring covid with most articles, then switched to 'protests good, what is covid-19?' as the 'justified' protests have taken place

Why did you put the word justified in quotes?

Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

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Post by whiddershins » Sun, Jun 07, 2020, 7:51 PM UTC

bryant wrote: post #107

axguscbklp wrote: post #88

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But are the protests really founded on something significant? If they focused simply on police brutality regardless of race, that would be one thing, but the general narrative seems to be that there is a big problem of white-on-black violence in the form of cops. Now, there is such a problem, but this ignores the wider context that in this country, black-on-white violence is a much bigger problem than white-on-black…

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Yeah but that’s only one way to calculate it. Other ways might be to calculate based on number of encounters, or number of criminal acts, or to control for location, or control for income. Etc.

I think it’s important to be really careful saying a given statistic, any statistic, says what we think it says.

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Post by mrcorona » Sun, Jun 07, 2020, 7:51 PM UTC

mydongle wrote: post #114

pstuart wrote: post #112

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Nuance is not so important in this situation. The effect is that people have been effectively given a pass to disregard the virus, as long as they're "protesting". Look at the protests and all the riots, do you see social distancing happening? People are throwing punches out there my dude. It's chaos.

People living in a certain form of hell aren't afraid of dying of corona... I personally would rather die of pneumonia than 20 or so bullets to the back from an agent of the state operating with a hair trigger and impunity.

Do people really think MLK felt safe when he was protesting? He was brave, new assassination was likely, and still marched.

Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

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Post by mydongle » Sun, Jun 07, 2020, 7:52 PM UTC

pstuart wrote: post #129

mydongle wrote: post #114

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Nuance is not so important in this situation. The effect is that people have been effectively given a pass to disregard the virus, as long as they're "protesting". Look at the protests and all the riots, do you see social distancing happening? People are throwing punches out there my dude. It's chaos.

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It seems you see this in terms of idea and theory. I am looking at things from a greater view, seeing the actual effect and impact of things. This is the same thing when health experts told everyone masks don't work. They were wrong. And you will be wrong as well.

Since if you believe I am against the protest, then it's in my benefit that the protests continue, so all my supposed enemies die off. Believe what you want :)

Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

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Post by monadic2 » Sun, Jun 07, 2020, 7:52 PM UTC

dionian wrote: post #81

monadic2 wrote: post #61

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I think the ship has sailed for that kind of support from the government, unfortunately, in no small part due to reopening.

To what extent is/should government be responsible for this?

Obviously a “values” question, but if “tackling collectivized problems collectively” ain’t on the government’s list, I’m not sure why I’m paying taxes, and our government’s bi-partisan efforts to collectively address this pandemic are currently the most pathetic in the world. The only place you see half-way decent propositions is before they hit the chopping block on Pelosi’s desk—this ain’t partisan.

Frankly the US government is rapidly losing any legitimacy to rule, though of course this is my humble opinion.

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Post by thatoneuser » Sun, Jun 07, 2020, 7:53 PM UTC

alexilliamson wrote: post #75

ianai wrote: post #35

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What’s crazy though is for the first time in my life I actually fear for the future existence of the US. I watched 9/11 in real time and that didn’t feel as much of a threat to our existence as this does. There’s an actual civil war movement among the extremists now. I don’t think that existed during the civil rights movement days, even. Nor even the Vietnam fallout.

White supremacists have wanted civil war since... the actual civil war? I'm not sure there has ever been a point when civil war was not on the table among extremists. Do you have particular current examples that are especially disconcerting?

Have these white supremacists done something on the scale of vandalism that's gone on during these protests?

I saw $55 million in damages have been done to Minneapolis alone a couple days ago. Idk about "white supremacist" (I don't think I've met any), but the more "rebel south" people I've known may talk about civil war, but I've never seen any severe damage, violence or death come from them. These protests are filled with those things.