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Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you assemble because you want to work. Then the media will paint you in the worst light possible an act like you are actively murdering grandma.

Idk about the media but I, personally, definitely judge you. Care about something that matters and not just yourself.

> Care about something that matters and not just yourself

Maybe like feeding your family and keeping a roof over their heads?

Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

#42
post #4

The concerns are right but public assembly is critical in a democracy, and cannot be put on hold indefinitely. It's probably the most fundamental right in any civil society and with all these takes I have seen on twitter about COVID and the protests, a lot of people seem to seriously unerestimate the value that free assembly has. Covid as bad as it is will be an issue of the near future, civil rights gains or losses…

I strongly disagree. Many people seem to believe this without any substance. Some people, as evidenced by comments here, only believe this when it aligns to their subjectively self valued concern.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_assembly

According to Wikipedia assembly is an example of a civil liberty. The preeminent doctrine on civil liberties is On Liberty. According to John Stuart Mill the greatest destroyer, as addressed near the top of chapter 2, of civil liberties is populism whether from an aggressive majority or angry mob.

https://www.bartleby.com/130/

Assembly only really means anything, to those observing, if the participants are assembling for a purpose of individually formulated passion opposed to an exertion of social pressure. That, as it would appear, is the difference between a protest versus an angry mob.

That said I would say the most fundamental right is freedom of expression which can occur from a group or individual and be every bit as powerful and influential.

Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

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I support the protests, and believe they can be done safely, but we can't forget about the virus. A quick googling gives me numbers between 300 and 1000 people dying of police violence per year. Call it 1k-2k per year. If we eliminate 50-100 years of that, we match what coronavirus has done in a couple months.

However, places are starting to relax the shelter-in-place rules already, so people going out now isn't comparable to people going out a month or two ago.

I do wish it weren't an either/or. Protest with your mask, and keep distance. To most people I know, this is how the protests they've been to have gone, so that's great and we should stop giving them shit, the same way as we shouldn't label the whole movement by the actions of some looters.

Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

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post #22

Daily new deaths have been steadily falling even as states continue to ease or eliminate restrictions [0]: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ This article seems to completely ignore that, instead focusing on positive test results, even though the vast majority of infections are mild or even completely asymptomatic. If anything, America is giving up on the breathless projections of mass die off that…

Deaths lag infections. Some increase in cases may be increase in test capacity etc., but to the extent infections are increasing and we haven't come up with much better treatment protocols, we should see an increase in death. One hope would be with outdoor exposure being more prevalent now relative to cramped indoor recirulating air exposure, exposure dose may be lower and result in better outcomes per infection. I don't know if there are any studies yet on how big of a difference that can make though.

Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

#45
post #3

A thing I've noticed is that they stopped mentioning the daily numbers on the radio (NPR, more specifically Iowa Public Radio). It's sort of like the media has extracted all the juice they can from the pandemic and now we're just left with the pulpy mess that no one really wants to deal with.

The daily numbers are often misleading due to patchy reporting, lags in test results, and the vagaries of weekly testing patterns. New case numbers are often not put in context of number of tests being done. There are lots of pretty graphs but, lacking or obscuring this context, they don't provide much useful information.

When I do see or hear numbers pop up in local media, it's often offered without meaningful information about larger trends and lends itself to the same horserace/it's all sports mentality that afflicts political coverage.

I put together my own spreadsheet based on my local health agency's data to try to get a more objective sense of how things are really progressing:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSxCDL6xIQll...

It's more than an academic exercise. I've been citing it as my small company discusses whether to reopen our local office. (There's no business need to do so. Our office can operate entirely remotely -- and has been for several weeks now.)

I'm also trying present the data in a meaningful way -- relative to testing and reopening guidelines. If you're frustrated by local reporting, I'd encourage you to do some something similar for your region.

Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

#46
post #16

Not a surprise, COVID19 is pretty soft compared to the historic pandemics. I'm actually suprised that this continued for so long, I gave the lockdowns 4 week, but I guess the media propaganda blessed it with longer life. Just to clarify about Covid: -The highest deathrate from it is around 1%, CDC reports 0.30 lately. -Hits predominantly the old parts of the population -The death comes in a normal way - pneumonia ->…

"Predominantly" is doing a lot of work for you there.

Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

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This is a pretty heavily politicized article for something that is marked as "Science" by the publishers. The authors have a clear political agenda that bleeds through onto the page.

It's from the Atlantic. Of course it has a political agenda. That's why people read it.

Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

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post #16

Not a surprise, COVID19 is pretty soft compared to the historic pandemics. I'm actually suprised that this continued for so long, I gave the lockdowns 4 week, but I guess the media propaganda blessed it with longer life. Just to clarify about Covid: -The highest deathrate from it is around 1%, CDC reports 0.30 lately. -Hits predominantly the old parts of the population -The death comes in a normal way - pneumonia ->…

Fascinating. This means China’s numbers were actually quite accurate.

Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

#49
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Additionally, mask usage is seriously high at these protests. I’ll literally be marching down the street and see folks on rooftop bars, beers in hand, elbow to elbow, not a mask in sight. that scares me more than a protest where you can freely trail behind at distance.

if they’re outside and elbow-to-elbow, then it means they’re likely not continuously spitting in each others’ faces. it’s marginally better if they stood a little farther apart but that risk shouldn’t scare you . worry about real risks, like police with riot gear.

Somehow I don’t have your confidence—I haven’t even gone inside the bars.

Anyway I’m not worried for myself, I’m gonna be fine in all likelihood—it’s my at-risk friends and family.

Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

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post #14

San Mateo County health officer: "The third modification of the shelter in place order is being made on 6/1/20. These modifications are being made in attempt to strike a balance. They are an attempt to find a way to increase the immunity of the population (in public health terms, this is called “herd immunity”) slowly and methodically, while minimizing premature death, with equity in mind, while not overloading the h…

N95 is overkill. You likely bring down the R0 below one if everyone wears just cloth masks. Less covid droplets in shared air. I still don’t see how will public transport for example resume in the next year. My bus was always packed like sardines and couldn’t fit everyone in it at the stop
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