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The Brave web browser is hijacking links, and inserting affiliate codes

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Re: The Brave web browser is hijacking links, and inserting affiliate codes

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It was the co-founder & CTO that authored the commits, not a rouge engineer: https://github.com/brave/brave-core/commits/master/component... https://github.com/bbondy

Two possibilities: (1) CEO tells CTO to do something nefarious. CTO does what he's told. CEO gets caught out. Publicly, CEO spins it as an innocent mistake. (2) CEO tells CTO to do something more innocent. CTO decides to do something more nefarious instead (maybe entirely intentionally, maybe simply by misunderstanding the ask.) Either way, the doing something more nefarious wasn't intentional by the CEO. Which of th…

Who cares which C-level exec is doing something nefarious?

Re: The Brave web browser is hijacking links, and inserting affiliate codes

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May I suggest using Vivaldi browser? https://medium.com/@Priem19/how-to-use-the-web-properly-f98f...

Are we supposed to “trust” this one now?

Their code for the full browser isn't open source. Only the chromium code is. Although it's mostly UI related code that you can inspect but just be aware.

Re: The Brave web browser is hijacking links, and inserting affiliate codes

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Being a happy Firefox user and watching all the browser drama from the backyard. I still don't understand why people uses Chrome or Chrome variants claiming privacy things.

With Chrome taking the lion's share of the browser user market, you end up with a lot of sites that work well in Chrome but not so well with other browsers. So even if you use Firefox as your main driver, you'll still want to have a Chromium-based browser as a backup. Now the problem for Android users is that, in light of this news, there's now one less (seemingly) viable option if you're using Google Play services.…

Somehow Samsung Internet and Vivaldi, both closed-source chromium skins available on the Play Store, have always sparked more trust in me than the seemingly open Brave ever did.

Re: The Brave web browser is hijacking links, and inserting affiliate codes

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Wow. They appear to have a death wish.

If your entire raison d'etre is privacy and clear stated model then one covert shady move like this can wreck trust irrevocably.

If they had just declared that their model includes inserting affiliate codes then that would all be fine.

The codes aren't the issue here its a violation of trust. If I'm OK with mystery monetization stuff happening behind the scenes I'd be using Chrome.

Re: The Brave web browser is hijacking links, and inserting affiliate codes

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I'm surprised people are surprised by this. Brave have said from the beginning that this is how their business model works. What I'm even more surprised about is that Brave has gotten any traction at all, as there is really no reason to use it instead of a normal browser with regular ad blockers.

Does anyone use Brave on the desktop? I thought Brave was only relevant on mobile, since mobile Chrome doesn't support extensions, and for some reason unknown to me people don't want to just use Firefox there.

Re: The Brave web browser is hijacking links, and inserting affiliate codes

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Being a happy Firefox user and watching all the browser drama from the backyard. I still don't understand why people uses Chrome or Chrome variants claiming privacy things.

Agree. Not sure what else needs to happen to encourage Chromium users to finally give Firefox a try.

Latency. Just tested with a "hello world" page (18ms ping).

Chrome takes 102-200ms to render the page, Firefox takes 150-400ms. 1.5 to 2x slower -- and that's after all the performance upgrades they've done with Rust and Quantum.

Network inspector says Firefox is spending 150-270ms "blocked" before it even initiates the connection. On Chrome the block is 3-18ms (15-50x (!!) faster).

There's also UI lag. When I press Ctrl+N, I expect a new window to open immediately. Chrome and Chromium based browsers do that. I cannot even perceive the delay between pressing Ctrl+N and a new window appearing. With Firefox it takes about 0.5-1 seconds before anything happens at all. This seems to be another 10-20x difference (though I'd have to record my screen and measure the difference).

Curiously, Re: UI lag, I think the actual time until the navbar is usable is about the same. But Firefox waits until the whole window is built before it displays it, while Chrome opens the window immediately and fills it in. From a user experience (I do command, I expect feedback) this makes a huge difference.

I switch back to Firefox roughly once a year after reading how fast it's gotten. But I have been disappointed on this front every single time. I want Firefox to succeed, I really do. I am donating to Mozilla every month. But as it is right now, I can't tolerate such lag, for a trivial action I perform thousands of times a day.

Re: The Brave web browser is hijacking links, and inserting affiliate codes

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Being a happy Firefox user and watching all the browser drama from the backyard. I still don't understand why people uses Chrome or Chrome variants claiming privacy things.

Firefox on Android has a much poorer UX than Brave, which is the only thing that keeps me from using it.

Pull to reload, tab accessibility, and other performance and rendering oddities need to be fixed before I switch back.

I'm happy with Firefox on Linux though.

Re: The Brave web browser is hijacking links, and inserting affiliate codes

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He says "We are a Binance affiliate, we refer users via the opt-in trading widget on the new tab page, but autocomplete should not add any code." Charitable interpretation: It is possible that he told the development team to add the affiliate code on the new tab page, and someone in the development team decided to add it to the autocomplete code as well, without him realising. I've certainly seen it happen when devel…

It was the co-founder & CTO that authored the commits, not a rouge engineer: https://github.com/brave/brave-core/commits/master/component... https://github.com/bbondy

The commit creates a new class "SuggestedSitesProvider" which looks like a generic system for detecting pageloads and automatically inserting affiliate IDs. So perhaps this is a nascent revenue stream for Brave that will be applied to more sites than Binance in the future.

Re: The Brave web browser is hijacking links, and inserting affiliate codes

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I'm surprised people are surprised by this. Brave have said from the beginning that this is how their business model works. What I'm even more surprised about is that Brave has gotten any traction at all, as there is really no reason to use it instead of a normal browser with regular ad blockers.

I use it on iOS because its an easy solution for ad-blocking. Is there a good ad-blocker for Safari on iOS?
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