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Patent on displaying SQL data in HTML, granted to IBM in 1998

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Re: Patent on displaying SQL data in HTML, granted to IBM in 1998

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I wouldn't hold up in any serious suit, but it could be a good patent trolling weapon. Let's hope that when IBM inevitably goes the way of the cuckoo, this does not fall in the wrong hand and/or patent reform has happened by them (fat chance imho).

If that patent was filed in 98, it expired in 2018.

I wonder if lots of bad parents have expired or are expiring soon? I remember reading the most dumb patents on slashdot in the early 2000s so maybe.

Re: Patent on displaying SQL data in HTML, granted to IBM in 1998

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This has been the bread and butter of PHP for two decades And many other things too, but someone had to be first. I doubt it was IBM but there would have been some elapsed time between TBL inventing HTML and the first time someone dynamically generated it from an RDBMS. That’s the person who could claim prior art.

I did exactly this in 1996 when we implemented a case management system with a web-based frontend. It used a home-grown webserver written in Perl that was talking SQL to a Sybase instance. And it was definitely not something unique. This project started because I was asking (probably on Usenet) for advice on what GUI framework we should use, and was recommended to build the application using web technologies. The fac…

Perl that was talking SQL to a Sybase instance

I remember Sybperl, since everyone was using Perl for CGI in the 90’s anyway it was a no-brainer to use it for that. Sybperl was released in 1990!

Re: Patent on displaying SQL data in HTML, granted to IBM in 1998

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IBM pays their company employees to file patents. It is also one of the key factor for promotions. That's why you can see lot's of stupid patents out there in IBM name.

Every big software company does this. It's a ridiculous arms race, but you have to play or risk getting sued to oblivion by a patent troll.

At one of those big companies I worked at a co-worker was working on a patent that read something like displaying health information from a JSON payload on a mobile application. For some reason I couldn't find it, so I assume it was rejected, but yeah this happens.

Re: Patent on displaying SQL data in HTML, granted to IBM in 1998

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Yep, terminology in legal documents can be quite misleading when interpreted as colloquial language. Something to keep in mind when reading any Legalese.

On the contrary, legal documents are like code - you have to read them exactly as they are worded. They may use complex grammar and obscure vocabulary, but slow down, read every word and pretend it is code. There are no extra words, every "or" and "and" really is a boolean operator that impacts how to interpret a sentence. If you are a coder, extracting an accurate meaning from legalese should come naturally. Just sl…

While there is a code-like aspect to reading legalese, the law isn't as specific as a programming language. No matter how hard you try, legal documents will have ambiguity.

I just read a case law week about whether "or" in a patent claim should be interpreted as OR or XOR.

Re: Patent on displaying SQL data in HTML, granted to IBM in 1998

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If that patent was filed in 98, it expired in 2018.

I wonder if lots of bad parents have expired or are expiring soon? I remember reading the most dumb patents on slashdot in the early 2000s so maybe.

I guess we can all thank the original dot-com boom for creating a bunch of patents a little over 20 years ago! :P

Re: Patent on displaying SQL data in HTML, granted to IBM in 1998

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Yep, terminology in legal documents can be quite misleading when interpreted as colloquial language. Something to keep in mind when reading any Legalese.

On the contrary, legal documents are like code - you have to read them exactly as they are worded. They may use complex grammar and obscure vocabulary, but slow down, read every word and pretend it is code. There are no extra words, every "or" and "and" really is a boolean operator that impacts how to interpret a sentence. If you are a coder, extracting an accurate meaning from legalese should come naturally. Just sl…

I've been told by at least two patent lawyers that "and" and "or" are essentially synonymous. If you want to specify "xor" it's good to say "either a foo or a bar but not both a foo and a bar". But why be so specific? "One or both of a foo and a bar" could have broader coverage, presents the opportunity to mislead the competition, and (IANAL) seems to be just as sound even if "both" is actually infeasible.

Re: Patent on displaying SQL data in HTML, granted to IBM in 1998

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Does anyone have a good software patent story? Where a small company was able to use for good or to fight off a bigger player.

Does a crime become good if the victim is big and the perpetrator is small?

It's roughly the military equivalent of the enemy having their artillery emplacements overrun and then turned against their own troops. Size of the respective fighting forces is irrelevant, it's simply a useful tactic. Of course if the overrun emplacements were part of a large, belligerent force agitating a smaller force without cause, there may seem to be a certain justice in using their weapons against them. It doesn't make the subsequent killing "good", but it may help discourage further aggression against strategically disadvantaged but tactically superior forces.

Re: Patent on displaying SQL data in HTML, granted to IBM in 1998

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If that patent was filed in 98, it expired in 2018.

I wonder if lots of bad parents have expired or are expiring soon? I remember reading the most dumb patents on slashdot in the early 2000s so maybe.

Software patents have gotten a lot harder to get with a lot more stringent a set of requirements than at the start of the dot com boom, at least as of the Alice ruling in 2014. It could always be reversed, but for now, most of these really bad patents are going to die out/be invalidated and hopefully reduce the power of patent trolls

Re: Patent on displaying SQL data in HTML, granted to IBM in 1998

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has been the bread and butter of PHP for two decades And many other things too, but someone had to be first. I doubt it was IBM but there would have been some elapsed time between TBL inventing HTML and the first time someone dynamically generated it from an RDBMS. That’s the person who could claim prior art.

I did exactly this in 1996 when we implemented a case management system with a web-based frontend. It used a home-grown webserver written in Perl that was talking SQL to a Sybase instance. And it was definitely not something unique. This project started because I was asking (probably on Usenet) for advice on what GUI framework we should use, and was recommended to build the application using web technologies. The fac…

Did you use an intermediate macro language and a per application macro file that mapped fields from the HTML to SQL on per request basis?

(This patent does not claim presenting SQL result in HTML -- it claims a particular way of mapping between the POST HTML and DB2 SQL using a customized macro language -- referred to as a common namespace in claim 1)

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