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Re: Uber Eats removes delivery fee for Black-owned restaurants

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Post by jacobush »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #36
bradleyjg wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t expect managers to know the law, I do expect them to check with those that do.

And responsible managers do. Unfortunately, many others conceptualize legal as a department to help them fight the law rather than a department to help them follow it.

I don't think their move here is illegal. I think it's ill-advised, bad PR, will backfire and probably predatory on the group they are ostensibly trying to help. (Maybe even without them even understanding why.)

That all said, I was almost going to downvote your comment, but it made remember how much Uber actually has made a business model out of breaking the law in every country they are active in. Move fast and break things became move fast and break the law.

Re: Uber Eats removes delivery fee for Black-owned restaurants

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Post by Kaze404 »

atlantacrackers wrote: post #46
berdario wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't write inflammatory comments that spread misunderstanding and disinformation. I'm very skeptical of this move, its sustainability in the medium term, and I overall really dislike Uber as a business, but equality is NOT the point. Society is already unequal, you cannot wish it away with a magic wand. The way to address inequality, is to think in terms of equity: http://betterbikeshare.org/2019/10/24/equity…

Seems like Uber is thinks black businesses are not capable of competing in a free market without a handout. Based on your definition, it is explicit racism.

The reason you think that is because you're assuming the free market is 1) free and 2) treats everyone equally, which is not the case.

Re: Uber Eats removes delivery fee for Black-owned restaurants

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Post by sshumaker »

champagneben wrote: post #34
daleharvey wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like you are finding it hard to understand what makes racism systemic, white restaurant owners are not an oppressed group, nobody is being racist against them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism

Are black restaurant owners an oppressed group?

Being a person of color in the US absolutely means you are confronting systemic racism throughout your life. So absolutely, yes, compared to white restaurant owners. Example: If you are black, you are less likely to get a small business loan, and if so you are likely to get worse rates [1]. They also are encountering more resistance to accessing COVID-19 bailout funds [2]. These are just two examples specific to being a business owner, not to mention the systemic racism they face as individuals.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jan/16/black-owned... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/10/business/minority-busines...

Re: Uber Eats removes delivery fee for Black-owned restaurants

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Post by davidf18 »

I think this should be permanent for Native Americans.

White Europeans stole their land and killed many millions (often unintentionally with Smallpox).

Manhattan where I live for example, if the Native American tribes retained ownership they would be very wealthy from the leases.

Re: Uber Eats removes delivery fee for Black-owned restaurants

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Post by siruncledrew »

How do companies find out personal details like race about who runs a business (and actually do it accurately)?

Can they also find out things like religion or ethnicity?

Whether it’s corporate data collection or users checking a box, it seems like a good intention that is primed for manipulation - which I guess some companies might gloss over as long as it benefits them.

Re: Uber Eats removes delivery fee for Black-owned restaurants

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Post by atlantacrackers »

Kaze404 wrote: post #52
atlantacrackers wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like Uber is thinks black businesses are not capable of competing in a free market without a handout. Based on your definition, it is explicit racism.

The reason you think that is because you're assuming the free market is 1) free and 2) treats everyone equally, which is not the case.

Treated equally in a food ordering service? Show me where it says “restaurant owned by a black person” in the Uber app allowing people to discriminate when ordering food.

Re: Uber Eats removes delivery fee for Black-owned restaurants

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

newbie578 wrote: post #20

How is this supporting the current situation, when this is a literal example of racism? People don't need or DESERVE special treatment, be it negative or positive, people deserve to be treated as equal. I don't understand why is it so hard to fathom?

Take one simple example: urban redlining. Urban redlining wasn't that long ago. Many white boomers (and hence their children) so clearly benefited from it at the expense of black people. So it's a bit rich to put in place blatantly racist policies, which allowed enormous wealth accumulation at the expense of another group, and then quite literally within the same lifetime when those policies have been banned, and the wealth accumulation has already happened, shout "Why is it so hard to fathom we all deserve to be treated as equal??"

I think this Uber Eats policy is both bad policy and dumb, but I also think that pretending legal racism that only ended in my parents' (still alive) lifetime doesn't have a huge effect on society, not to mention ongoing institutionalized racism the current protests are meant to address.

Re: Uber Eats removes delivery fee for Black-owned restaurants

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Post by jungletime »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #50
jungletime wrote: post #28

If anyone is interested, here's an interview with a human rights lawyer Robert Barnes, a man that has litigated wrongful death cases against police, and supreme court cases. Very pertinent, internal take on the courts, BLM, Antifa, police, Covid, and current cases before the supreme court. https://youtu.be/6SSse90R72o?t=4021

"Human rights lawyer?" That's an "interesting" euphemism for a tax lawyer.

He litigate a case of 8 1/2 month jailed pregnant women put in isolation. The without monitoring her. She woke up with a dead baby. Then the jailed doctored the records, pretending the baby died in the hospital.

I think this qualifies.

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