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Re: Uber Eats removes delivery fee for Black-owned restaurants

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Post by Fargren »

newbie578 wrote: post #20

How is this supporting the current situation, when this is a literal example of racism? People don't need or DESERVE special treatment, be it negative or positive, people deserve to be treated as equal. I don't understand why is it so hard to fathom?

The definition of racism is not treating a race different from others. Racism is a belief that one race is better or worse than others, and the politics that arise from that belief. Recognizing that a group has been treated unfairly and compensating for it is not racism.

Re: Uber Eats removes delivery fee for Black-owned restaurants

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Post by bww »

Setting aside the obvious PR opportunism, how would something like this actually work? Does Uber currently collect data on the race of the people who own restaurants they deliver from? Is data like this publicly available somehow? Is this data something they're going to start collecting to facilitate this feature? Does that sound like data it would be good for Uber to have?

Knowing what we know about Uber this all seems highly problematic.

Re: Uber Eats removes delivery fee for Black-owned restaurants

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Post by slimed »

Fargren wrote: post #31
newbie578 wrote: post #20

How is this supporting the current situation, when this is a literal example of racism? People don't need or DESERVE special treatment, be it negative or positive, people deserve to be treated as equal. I don't understand why is it so hard to fathom?

The definition of racism is not treating a race different from others. Racism is a belief that one race is better or worse than others, and the politics that arise from that belief. Recognizing that a group has been treated unfairly and compensating for it is not racism.

A more accurate term is "racial discrimination". Doesn't make it any more palatable.

Re: Uber Eats removes delivery fee for Black-owned restaurants

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Post by champagneben »

daleharvey wrote: post #27
newbie578 wrote: post #20

How is this supporting the current situation, when this is a literal example of racism? People don't need or DESERVE special treatment, be it negative or positive, people deserve to be treated as equal. I don't understand why is it so hard to fathom?

It seems like you are finding it hard to understand what makes racism systemic, white restaurant owners are not an oppressed group, nobody is being racist against them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism

Are black restaurant owners an oppressed group?

Re: Uber Eats removes delivery fee for Black-owned restaurants

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Post by joshgel »

newbie578 wrote: post #20

How is this supporting the current situation, when this is a literal example of racism? People don't need or DESERVE special treatment, be it negative or positive, people deserve to be treated as equal. I don't understand why is it so hard to fathom?

There are a number of visual examples that help explain the difference between equality, equity and justice. But this one I particularly like:

https://www.reddit.com/r/coolguides/comments/gq2n31/inequali...

Re: Uber Eats removes delivery fee for Black-owned restaurants

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

bradleyjg wrote: post #30
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Management just doesn't have any particular skill at not generating flagrantly illegal ideas. I once saw a guy announce in a company-wide email that he was leading an initiative to help the recruiting team bucket incoming applications by gender. I strongly suspect that whoever approved this program is currently being yelled at by their legal department.

I don’t expect managers to know the law, I do expect them to check with those that do.

And responsible managers do. Unfortunately, many others conceptualize legal as a department to help them fight the law rather than a department to help them follow it.

Re: Uber Eats removes delivery fee for Black-owned restaurants

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Post by searchableguy »

kirykl wrote: post #29

Actually Seems like predatory pricing targeting this one group to make these businesses unfairly dependent on Uber Eats in a monopoly grab

A version of this is used in india to reduce wages. When you divide people into two big groups and compensate one - you create unequal net wage - and if there is not enough employment, one group hogs all the jobs while others have to significantly reduce their wages to compete.

This is just capitalism in action.

Re: Uber Eats removes delivery fee for Black-owned restaurants

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Post by [deleted] »

Fargren wrote: post #31
newbie578 wrote: post #20

How is this supporting the current situation, when this is a literal example of racism? People don't need or DESERVE special treatment, be it negative or positive, people deserve to be treated as equal. I don't understand why is it so hard to fathom?

The definition of racism is not treating a race different from others. Racism is a belief that one race is better or worse than others, and the politics that arise from that belief. Recognizing that a group has been treated unfairly and compensating for it is not racism.

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Re: Uber Eats removes delivery fee for Black-owned restaurants

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Post by berdario »

newbie578 wrote: post #20

How is this supporting the current situation, when this is a literal example of racism? People don't need or DESERVE special treatment, be it negative or positive, people deserve to be treated as equal. I don't understand why is it so hard to fathom?

Please don't write inflammatory comments that spread misunderstanding and disinformation.

I'm very skeptical of this move, its sustainability in the medium term, and I overall really dislike Uber as a business, but equality is NOT the point.

Society is already unequal, you cannot wish it away with a magic wand.

The way to address inequality, is to think in terms of equity:

http://betterbikeshare.org/2019/10/24/equity-vs-equality/

Also, this is obviously not an example of racism. Racism can be defined as:

"prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior."

The term that you're looking for is Affirmative action, defined as:

"Affirmative action is a policy in which an individual's color, race, sex, religion or national origin are taken into account to increase opportunities provided to an underrepresented part of society"

Re: Uber Eats removes delivery fee for Black-owned restaurants

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Post by sshumaker »

uniformlyrandom wrote: post #19

That's racist.

A more useful definition from So you want to talk about race:

Racism is any prejudice against someone because of their race, when those views are reinforced by systems of power.

This definition is useful in the sense that it helps focus efforts on what needs to be addressed - systemic racism - vs trying to convince 100% of individuals to stop being racists in their day-to-day.

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