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Four million parts, 30 countries: How an Airbus A380 comes together (2018)

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Re: Four million parts, 30 countries: How an Airbus A380 comes together (2018)

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I met an Airbus test pilot once.

Among other stories he told me that the A380 is one of best balanced planes out there, and apparently a joy to fly. He said even without engines he could easily land it like a glider.

Now, I can't really verify what he said, but he seemed sincere.

Having travelled in the A380 as passenger, I will sure miss it.

Re: Four million parts, 30 countries: How an Airbus A380 comes together (2018)

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*came together. The A380 program is nearly over. The most incredible passenger plane in the sky. Comfortable for 16+ hours. I hope they can archive the blueprints for it well enough to consider building it again in the future.

I’m sure they’ll hold on to all the Cad Data, the issue is making sure all the suppliers have the Cad data for tooling and parts, it’s unlikely coming back after going away.

Just hope that they keep it in the right version of CATIA: https://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2006/09/a380_delayed... [Kind of annoying that the Bloomberg article is referenced all over the place, but that Bloomberg's site has broken the link]

Edit: More technical link: https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=770047

Re: Four million parts, 30 countries: How an Airbus A380 comes together (2018)

#13

I met an Airbus test pilot once. Among other stories he told me that the A380 is one of best balanced planes out there, and apparently a joy to fly. He said even without engines he could easily land it like a glider. Now, I can't really verify what he said, but he seemed sincere. Having travelled in the A380 as passenger, I will sure miss it.

> without engines he could easily land it like a glider.

Most airplanes are designed to glide down and be able to land in the event of loss of all power from all existing engines, subject to the available altitude above ground (the potential height energy from the fall is used as the source of kinetic energy for keeping airspeed+lift) and distance to a suitable for landing piece of land.

Re: Four million parts, 30 countries: How an Airbus A380 comes together (2018)

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The A380 was a technological marvel that was built more for European pride( see our jumbo jet is bigger than yours) than for real business reasons. Nevertheless, it is a joy to fly in. (Though I do think it doesn’t look as beautiful as the 747).

> than for real business reasons

Any explanations for that?

Large airliners was a monopoly by Boeing, Airbus obviously wanted to cut a part of that market.

Re: Four million parts, 30 countries: How an Airbus A380 comes together (2018)

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The A380 was a technological marvel that was built more for European pride( see our jumbo jet is bigger than yours) than for real business reasons. Nevertheless, it is a joy to fly in. (Though I do think it doesn’t look as beautiful as the 747).

Just asking, is there any concrete evidence ? Like some politicians asking for the planes to have more passengers or length then some other airplane? I am wondering that maybe if Boeing is using super old design then maybe that explain why the american airplanes are less efficient. I don't deny pride exists everywhere, including in me.

One Youtube video has a pretty convincing origin story of the A380.

Apparently Airbus approached Boeing about a joint project, but Boeing's analysis showed point-to-point (787) made more sense, and Airbus got the opposite result.

Pride no doubt had a part in it, as the investment is staggering.

What hurt A380 development badly from a mfg. perspective was the wiring harness initially didn't fit, causing a delay of up to 2 years, so they had to re-design that. (This is common, and happened to one recent Boeing model too.) Also the first examples had a weight problem.

A380 $6.1B in additional costs due to project delays

http://calleam.com/WTPF/?p=4700

But the biggest issues were:

1) point-to-point won over spoke-and-hub

2) renovation of each airport so it would fit

3) no US carriers ordered any

4) operating cost of $29,000/hour, smaller planes are a quarter.

6) The A380 is not a cargo-design like the 747 - the A380 doesn't have a level floor from what I've heard.

Re: Four million parts, 30 countries: How an Airbus A380 comes together (2018)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just asking, is there any concrete evidence ? Like some politicians asking for the planes to have more passengers or length then some other airplane? I am wondering that maybe if Boeing is using super old design then maybe that explain why the american airplanes are less efficient. I don't deny pride exists everywhere, including in me.

One Youtube video has a pretty convincing origin story of the A380. Apparently Airbus approached Boeing about a joint project, but Boeing's analysis showed point-to-point (787) made more sense, and Airbus got the opposite result. Pride no doubt had a part in it, as the investment is staggering. What hurt A380 development badly from a mfg. perspective was the wiring harness initially didn't fit, causing a delay of up…

5) If there was really a big market for the A380 why wasn't Boeing selling more 747's.

Re: Four million parts, 30 countries: How an Airbus A380 comes together (2018)

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I met an Airbus test pilot once. Among other stories he told me that the A380 is one of best balanced planes out there, and apparently a joy to fly. He said even without engines he could easily land it like a glider. Now, I can't really verify what he said, but he seemed sincere. Having travelled in the A380 as passenger, I will sure miss it.

> one of best balanced planes out there

Airliner design is regulated for stability for passenger flight on IFR approaches. So they're all pretty smooth.

(The reason for the 737 MAX MCAS system was to meet those requirements, although they failed in that case.)

All planes can glide if the wings are attached, and any essential electricity is available for control (if necessary.)

A corollary of "all planes glide" is that planes cannot really fall or dive straight (vertically) down from an appreciable height with the wings attached. A good story to tell passengers afraid of flying.

Re: Four million parts, 30 countries: How an Airbus A380 comes together (2018)

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One Youtube video has a pretty convincing origin story of the A380. Apparently Airbus approached Boeing about a joint project, but Boeing's analysis showed point-to-point (787) made more sense, and Airbus got the opposite result. Pride no doubt had a part in it, as the investment is staggering. What hurt A380 development badly from a mfg. perspective was the wiring harness initially didn't fit, causing a delay of up…

5) If there was really a big market for the A380 why wasn't Boeing selling more 747's.

It's a good point.

I suspect there's an argument that a newer design could be more fuel-efficient, but I haven't read anything on that.

(The only things that operators care about are fuel efficiency and operating cost/commonality, and will the lenders finance it. Passenger comfort has no bearing.)

Re: Four million parts, 30 countries: How an Airbus A380 comes together (2018)

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I met an Airbus test pilot once. Among other stories he told me that the A380 is one of best balanced planes out there, and apparently a joy to fly. He said even without engines he could easily land it like a glider. Now, I can't really verify what he said, but he seemed sincere. Having travelled in the A380 as passenger, I will sure miss it.

The A380(-800) is known to be “over-winged” (larger and generates more lift than would be optimal, at the cost of drag and weight).

Apparently Airbus was planning to make a larger variant as well, and the wing was designed to accommodate that. But the -800 was years delayed and struggled to find customers, the larger variant was never made.

Re: Four million parts, 30 countries: How an Airbus A380 comes together (2018)

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*came together. The A380 program is nearly over. The most incredible passenger plane in the sky. Comfortable for 16+ hours. I hope they can archive the blueprints for it well enough to consider building it again in the future.

They're most likely legally required to archive all of that for a few decades.
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