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Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by sergeykish »

nsajko wrote: post #135
Sevaris wrote: post #126

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My main problem with Arch is that there's rarely a point where I feel like I've finished installing. There's always something missing or something not configured right. Shit, dialog still isn't a default package in 2020, which you need to use wifi-menu during the install process. So if you happen to forget to install that (and it isn't mentioned anywhere in the documentation), you're going to have to reboot into the…

> Why in the fuck is dialog an optional dependency? Not all people who use netctl want wifi-menu. > it isn't mentioned anywhere in the documentation It sure is. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installation_guide -> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Network_configuration -> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Netctl And there on the top of the netctl page it lists in a table dialog as a dependency of wifi-men…

Arch Wiki changed a lot over years, entire install was one page http://web.archive.org/web/20080517121811/http://wiki.archli... (and grass was greener):

> Don't worry about getting all the packages you want - you can easily install more of them once the basic system boots by itself. The only exception to this rule is installing any packages you need for setting up internet connectivity. These packages usually are:

> dhcpcd

> wvdial

I had fresh install recently, rebooted three times in LiveUSB to pick wifi-menu, wpa_supplicant, dialog (rechecked with pacman -Qe). That's fine, I still use Arch. And it is good Manjaro provides another set of defaults.

> DON'T PANIC!

> The Arch Linux system is assembled by the user, from the shell, using basic command line tools. This is The Arch Way.

I miss it much http://web.archive.org/web/20080720082349/http://wiki.archli...

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by michaelmrose »

dahfizz wrote: post #196
michaelmrose wrote: post #113

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Centos is too slow moving to be suitable for desktop use. Fedora updates to a new version every 6 months. Updates in place have historically been less than awesome and it adopts new tech before it is ready with no practical way to run either the old version of fedora or the old version of the software. Example rolling out pulseaudio when it didn't work well. One version I recall went from acceptable font rendering to…

I've had the same Fedora install on my laptop for years, at least 4 versions. Never any of the problems you described. Fedora was also the only thing that worked on my new laptop, because every other distro runs a super old kernel. I'm a super happy Fedora user :)

I ran fedora from version 1 though I think version 14ish It's entirely possible its better now than it was.

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Post by bananamerica »

dathinab wrote: post #44
jimhefferon wrote: post #15

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What distro? I use Ubuntu because I just want an OS, not a hobby.

If you have linux experience Arch Linux can be a good idea. Sure the daunting setup process would fall into the "a hobby" category but once it runs it tends to just keep running as long as you update it from time to time. Using it now for ~5 Years and in that time I had two times problems one was that the new kernel version didn't work with my laptop and another which was fully my fault by doing some "special" boot s…

> I just want an OS, not a hobby

> If you have linux experience Arch Linux can be a good idea

Something doesn’t add up there...

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by [deleted] »

Skunkleton wrote: post #7

I personally don't packaging apps in a sandbox, its a violation of the basic idea of writing tools that do one thing well. Still, snap gets lots of flack, but I don't see the same for flatpak. Is there some advantage to flatpak that I am missing, or is it just than Ubuntu has pushed snaps too hard?

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Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by jcastro »

m463 wrote: post #191
jedieaston wrote: post #170

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The really annoying thing about snaps is that they pollute the mountpoints on the system. I’ve had as many as 100 mounts on a box after installing just a few snaps, which is super annoying if you ever want to try to get an idea of disk usage. God forbid you want to figure out what lvm volume can get shrinked. There’s also not as much screening before an update is allowed, as there would be for the default Ubuntu repo…

I wish there was a "df" had a flag for just "real filesystems" (maybe there is and I don't know it). sort of like df -t ext4 -t ext3 -t vfat ...

`alias df='df -x"squashfs"'` should do it.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by guug »

schoolornot wrote: post #5
henriquez wrote: post #3

I dumped Ubuntu over Snap. Maybe I’m just ignorant but it seems like allowing developers to push software updates without any review invites the same sorts of issues we’ve seen on npm, with very high risks for certain use cases. I don’t want that kind of relationship with my OS, forced updates are why I ditched Windows in the first place. Aside from the philosophical concerns I ran into a lot of glitches with various…

> forced updates are why I ditched Windows in the first place Samsung has followed suit w/ Android. Once an update is available, the user can defer it three times before the phone is rebooted. Not even Apple pulls this crap.

As a short term solution, you can use netguard and always have it run in lockdown mode. It works on most phones and doesn't require root. You can use it to whitelist app access to the internet (inc. blocking samsung and google play updates). It's also open source.

In the long term, just avoid samsung products that don't respect your authority as the owner.

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Post by bouncycastle »

kjs3 wrote: post #192
bouncycastle wrote: post #69

From reading the other comments, people just don't like having security updates done automatically - they'd like to have more control when they are performed. Kind of like in Windows, where your computer suddenly shuts down to apply a service pack while you were in the middle of an important World of Warcraft raid that you were planning for weeks. There's always a trade-off between keeping your system secure and bein…

Unless you're on a corporate machine where they have some Group Policy to force updates, you absolutely can control when updates are performed. You might have to actually learn how to do that, but it's not like M$ makes it impossible.

I think I've lost count how many times I've ran into a Windows powered kiosk / info screen that was stuck in the middle of a forced update.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by guug »

eberkund wrote: post #58

This appears to be an unpopular opinion, but I like snaps and Canonical's philosophy in some ways mimics that of Apple's where they care about usability over configurability. Snaps have been my preferred method of installation for a few years now. I really like how I know where the files are being installed to and if I uninstall the software it will be removed cleanly. I also like how for most software snaps contain…

Most people are not rejecting snaps as a concept but the way ubuntu decided to implement it (e.g. forced updates, closed back-end, stealth snapd/snap reinstalls, etc).

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Post by sergeykish »

nsajko wrote: post #151
Sevaris wrote: post #131

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> BTW, you do know you don't ever need to reinstall Arch (on a single machine)? People say this, but I've found plenty of reason to reinstall Arch (none of it necessarily having to do with Arch, and more trying different distros out of curiosity and Arch remaining my main distro). I always have these discussions with Arch veterans who seem so incredulous about my frustrations with Arch. And I sort of chalk it down to…

> scrapping of the excellent beginner's guide I gather that you simply want something more opinionated than Arch, and that is OK, even the BSDs have a more opinionated install procedure than Arch. But FTR scrapping the "Beginner's guide" was done for really good reasons: it duplicated the content of other Wiki articles, which is a maintainability nightmare, and was too opinionated for Arch. All the content should sti…

Sorry, I can't agree about scrapping "Beginners guide".

Ubuntu gave me simple install. Once I've started tinkering it become broken. Following Installation guide and Beginners guide I got stable system with internet connection without Gnome toolbar widget. I could build on top of it.

These days I stick with Arch because of fresh packages, rolling release, makepkg and AUR. Just looking at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Network_interface is enough to stick with wifi-menu / wpa_supplicant.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by apple4ever »

bxparks wrote: post #56
karatestomp wrote: post #8

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Launch times and (silly, but it really bugged me) pollution of my `df` output drove me away.

Yup, the output of df became so cluttered that it became useless. So I created this alias: > alias df='df -x tmpfs -x squashfs -x devtmpfs'

Oh my this is awesome! Thank you. So much better.
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