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Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by rlpb »

amaccuish wrote: post #99
eberkund wrote: post #58

This appears to be an unpopular opinion, but I like snaps and Canonical's philosophy in some ways mimics that of Apple's where they care about usability over configurability. Snaps have been my preferred method of installation for a few years now. I really like how I know where the files are being installed to and if I uninstall the software it will be removed cleanly. I also like how for most software snaps contain…

I like snaps too but snap has a habit of killing my open apps when it wants to update, rather than waiting. Especially Telegram. Also Telegram was really buggy a few versions back and it took several releases for notifications to start working again. It would have been nice if I could roll back and pin while they went through the first few 2.0 releases.

This is a bug that is being worked on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1616650

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by jamieweb »

jimhefferon wrote: post #15
Darmody wrote: post #9

I can understand Canonical pushing for snaps. It's their product and they want it to succeed. That said I hate their dirty ways. I find it even morally wrong. How can "sudo apt install chromium-browser" not install the apt package but install instead a snap? How I, as a user and also as a professional, trust Ubuntu if when I use their package manager I'm being tricked? I don't use Windows for a reason, more than one…

What distro? I use Ubuntu because I just want an OS, not a hobby.

Pop!_OS is what you're looking for IMO.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by m463 »

Sevaris wrote: post #101
nsajko wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my perspective Manjaro seems like Arch+added nonsense. I honestly don't see what are you trying to say regarding Manjaro with "I really don't want to waste time troubleshooting my own shit" or "Arch just requires way too much fiddling". On the other hand I could understand if you just wanted something that requires less knowledge to set up the first time, but then why not go with Debian or something? To clarify,…

Manjaro is install and go. Arch Linux is ... well, if you haven't done it before, you're going to waste at least an hour going through the awful documentation trying to piece together what the installation flow is supposed to be. The beginner's guide was scrapped and the replacement is awful. So if you're new, it's going to be painful. And if you aren't new, it's still painful if you just want to install your OS and…

I think what you're describing is decision fatigue, which is the hard part of your first Arch install.

It can get really technical really quickly, and you end up making decisions almost randomly if you have shallow or no knowledge of a subject.

It's like ending up at the voting booth, and knowing what president you want, but then your momentum fades and you want to vote along party lines and get out.

I wonder for example, how many people are technically prepared to choose EFI vs BIOS boot, and if they want a bootloader, which one.

I think the thing to keep in mind is that by making the decision, even the wrong one, you build up a valuable pattern in your mind and you are growing.

That said, it's harder on arch to do more involved things like encrypted boot, selinux or virtualization. But when you do it, you can consider yourself a post hole digger.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by voqv »

hak8or wrote: post #79
voqv wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before switching to Arch, check if packages you rely on for your job are not in the AUR. It became "a hobby" really quick for me to rebuild my entire dev stack because of the bleeding edge approach and "let's update every week and fix source code while we're at it".

Do you have any examples of such packages that were missing? I've been using arch for maybe five years at this point and am an embedded developer. I had maybe oneor two times that I had to install something that was not in the aur.

For me, that was ROS (in Robotics). Some people I worked with had issues with Anaconda.

I miss Arch though, I learned a lot about Linux through it, but every hour spent fixing something is an hour less spent on actual work.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by m463 »

mrighele wrote: post #48
dima55 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just use Debian. Ubuntu is quite literally Debian+bullshit.

My issue with Debian that I don't want a rolling release, and Debian Stable feels more like "Debian Obsolete" to me (at least it was years ago, maybe now it is different...)

sounds like you're describing Ubuntu 18.04 :)

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by kjs3 »

simosx wrote: post #38
adamzochowski wrote: post #14

snap has problems that exist for years. It will upgrade a running application without telling the user. Then it will remount all folders in use by the running application in read only mode. As such, your chromium will start misbehaving, crashing, extensions will start failing, it won't save cookies or remember tabs after restart. DBeaver won't be saving your .sql scripts. Snap developers think users are precogs. That…

Snap support is evolving. There are keys to configure when, and if, you get updates, https://snapcraft.io/docs/keeping-snaps-up-to-date The total Linux desktop installation base is around 2.7%. Without automation, the Linux desktop does not look like it will attract any significant number of Windows users.

Snap support is evolving.

So we're the beta testers for Snap. Awesome. Nothing I want to do more on my day-to-day desktop than to be an outsource QA team to debug Ubuntu's software. Thanks for making 'beta test' the default, just like with pulseaudio and systemd. I look forward to the one day in the future when snap doesn't suck too. Except, nope. No more Ubuntu.

I guess tossing Windows in there is some ad homen attempt to deflect, because the comment doesn't otherwise make any sense. Is "we'll screw our users until our software works reliably" somehow an answer to the M$ hegemony?

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by kyrofa »

Skunkleton wrote: post #7

I personally don't packaging apps in a sandbox, its a violation of the basic idea of writing tools that do one thing well. Still, snap gets lots of flack, but I don't see the same for flatpak. Is there some advantage to flatpak that I am missing, or is it just than Ubuntu has pushed snaps too hard?

> Is there some advantage to flatpak that I am missing, or is it just than Ubuntu has pushed snaps too hard?

Those aren't the only two options :) .

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by simosx »

charlesdaniels wrote: post #171

While I'm not super up on these newfangled app distribution systems, I've had mostly negative experiences with both Snaps and Flatpaks. As someone that administrates a small handful of workstations and a server or two, I just don't get what these tools buy me. It seems that usually installing an application via one of these methods has negative externalities (e.g. some things not working out of box, like access to us…

The chromium transition from deb to snap has been discussed here (Note: October 2019)

https://snapcraft.io/blog/chromium-in-ubuntu-deb-to-snap-tra...

Ubuntu could not maintain a deb package, and keep it up to date. Therefore, there is only a snap package. When you try to install with `apt`, you get chromium installed transparently instead of getting a message that describes what I already explained. The breakage would be bad if there was nothing installed when you did a "sudo snap install chromium-browser".

AppImages are monolithic images, with no or minimal protection of your computer. I think they are the equivalent of the Windows packages in the 90s and 00s, that were distributed with CDs with little idea where they came from.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by desas »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #118
Darmody wrote: post #9

I can understand Canonical pushing for snaps. It's their product and they want it to succeed. That said I hate their dirty ways. I find it even morally wrong. How can "sudo apt install chromium-browser" not install the apt package but install instead a snap? How I, as a user and also as a professional, trust Ubuntu if when I use their package manager I'm being tricked? I don't use Windows for a reason, more than one…

Why does it matter that it's a snap? Does the program work?

webusb doesn't work in chromium snap, I haven't noticed anything else.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by [deleted] »

jimbob45 wrote: post #102
bouncycastle wrote: post #69

From reading the other comments, people just don't like having security updates done automatically - they'd like to have more control when they are performed. Kind of like in Windows, where your computer suddenly shuts down to apply a service pack while you were in the middle of an important World of Warcraft raid that you were planning for weeks. There's always a trade-off between keeping your system secure and bein…

This is my read on the situation too. MS already solved this too: just make it difficult, but not impossible to turn off.

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