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Re: Slack Removed a Blog Post Showing How Police Use Its Tech

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Post by throwaway894345 »

x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #234
throwaway894345 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not so hard if the media didn't cherry pick examples for the purpose of enraging Americans. There's probably a lot to be legitimately upset about, but blacks are killed by police less frequently than victim-reported crime statistics predict. If the media gave proportional attention to white victims like Tony Timpa or Daniel Shaver, it wouldn't feel so much like police are targeting black citizens. Maybe we would…

So you are going to use absolute numbers vs. per capita when comparing killings by police? And I love the way that you explain non-white communities being targeted as "feelings" and not a historical constant as long as the US has existed.

My numbers were population adjusted (per-capita), and there's no dichotomy between "black communities have historically been and perhaps still are targeted" and "the media is amplifying the perception of the degree to which they are targeted". Thanks for pushing for me to be more clear. I really do appreciate it.

Re: Slack Removed a Blog Post Showing How Police Use Its Tech

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Post by [deleted] »

sol_invictus wrote: post #216
the_pwner224 wrote: post #184

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Imagine a handcuffed, nondangerous, nonviolent person is literally murdered by strangulation by a cop, and three cops stand right there watching and do nothing and don't even appear to be fazed by what's going on. If I was the cop watching, I would kick that asshole in the face and try to stop him. I'm sure if you asked 99% of normal people they would agree. But three cops literally watched and did nothing. Many cops…

> every single American cop based on what?

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Re: Slack Removed a Blog Post Showing How Police Use Its Tech

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Post by nemothekid »

sol_invictus wrote: post #174
pravus wrote: post #56

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I watched a video today of a 75-year old man being shoved by police for something that I can in no way defend. He fell backwards and blood started leaking from his head while he fell unconscious. No officer even attempted to render aid. I have watched a video of a SWAT team breaking into a man's home and murdering him point-blank because he was holding a golf club for the crime of using naturally occurring plants and…

I’m sure there’s truth to it, but there are 800k police officers in the US. Are you ready to condemn the entire profession because of a handful of bad experiences?

>Are you ready to condemn the entire profession because of a handful of bad experiences?

1, maybe 2, deaths are a "handful". Repeated, country wide, incidents is far more than a "handful".

How many people should be executed, in your opinion, before you are ready to condemn the entire institution?

Re: Slack Removed a Blog Post Showing How Police Use Its Tech

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Post by sneak »

sol_invictus wrote: post #216
the_pwner224 wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine a handcuffed, nondangerous, nonviolent person is literally murdered by strangulation by a cop, and three cops stand right there watching and do nothing and don't even appear to be fazed by what's going on. If I was the cop watching, I would kick that asshole in the face and try to stop him. I'm sure if you asked 99% of normal people they would agree. But three cops literally watched and did nothing. Many cops…

> every single American cop based on what?

Because it keeps happening for generations. The supposedly not-bad-apples have declined to clean house for at least 70 of policing in the USA.

At some point, decades ago, one must assume complicity.

Re: Slack Removed a Blog Post Showing How Police Use Its Tech

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Post by rrmm »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #239
x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #235

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I've always been amazed at how when the black community mentions something to do with race, it's always seen as if we are making up some kind of elaborate fiction solely for slandering the United States.

> I've always been amazed at how when the black community mentions something to do with race, it's always seen as if we are making up some kind of elaborate fiction solely for slandering the United States. That wasn't my claim, and you know it. I'm happy to be wrong, I'm just trying to make sense of the contrast between the data and public opinion. I'm genuinely very sorry for any emotional distress this debate cause…

This stuff is highly charged. Doing it over text messages just makes things harder.

I appreciate you are doing it good faith, but 400 years of blood makes for murky waters.

Re: Slack Removed a Blog Post Showing How Police Use Its Tech

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Post by 4636760295 »

commandlinefan wrote: post #80
4636760295 wrote: post #41

One way techies can affect change is to not do business with the government, particularly law enforcement and military. However, this won't happen, because at the end of the day the only thing people actually care about is money.

> the only thing people actually care about is money Although I do care about money, I also support my government and my local police force, and would be happy and proud if my work could be used to make their efforts more efficient as well as more open, transparent, and fair. I don't agree with everything my government does, and I believe that there are bad cops that need to be corrected, but don't presume to speak f…

If you have 1,000 cops, and 1 of them does something bad while the other 999 take no action, then you have 1,000 bad cops.

Re: Slack Removed a Blog Post Showing How Police Use Its Tech

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Post by throwaway894345 »

rrmm wrote: post #245
throwaway894345 wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've always been amazed at how when the black community mentions something to do with race, it's always seen as if we are making up some kind of elaborate fiction solely for slandering the United States. That wasn't my claim, and you know it. I'm happy to be wrong, I'm just trying to make sense of the contrast between the data and public opinion. I'm genuinely very sorry for any emotional distress this debate cause…

This stuff is highly charged. Doing it over text messages just makes things harder. I appreciate you are doing it good faith, but 400 years of blood makes for murky waters.

I understand and agree. Thanks for your patience and understanding.

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Post by gliese1337 »

javagram wrote: post #150
gliese1337 wrote: post #118

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It worked for the country of Georgia. They disbanded their entire national police force, and violent crime immediately went down.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_Georgia_(co... This page says Georgia has 42k police officers. I think the disbandment you mention was clearing out old corrupt officers and replacing them with new recruits, which is mentioned there. Not actually getting rid of the police.

They do now. Because yes, they did re-establish the police force later. But step one was completely eliminating the existing force. 100% reset.

Re: Slack Removed a Blog Post Showing How Police Use Its Tech

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Post by o-__-o »

wvenable wrote: post #188
1123581321 wrote: post #177

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How can you tell protecting a house from a mob is bad? Wouldn’t the neighbors have appreciated it not being ransacked and burnt?

Yes, I expect a few on duty officers to protect the house. But this goes well beyond that. How much do you want to twist the logic to make this a justifiable situation?

While police where protecting his house a police station went up in flames. I don’t care who you are, you can see there is wrong on all sides of the picture here. Why so many cops protecting the accused? Why no cops protecting their own station? Why no national guard IMMEDIATELY when it’s obvious the police have zero handle on the situation?

Because the leadership at any level could not address this so we are obviously left to destructive behavior on all sides. But that conversation doesn’t attract eyeballs.

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Post by dmatech »

ryanSrich wrote: post #108
xwowsersx wrote: post #84

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Why though? Is there not a legitimate role for policing in a civil society? And if there is, don't they need to coordinate and collaborate just like any other organization?

> Is there not a legitimate role for policing in a civil society? Look around. Most Americans would say no to this question. I don’t think they’ve thought through the consequences of that, but I guarantee a random poll would show most Americans want to abolish or >70% defund the police (which is effectively the same).

That might be the case of what's trending in the US on Twitter or in the media, but that's hardly a representative sample of the actual population.
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