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Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap
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Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap
#42I can understand Canonical pushing for snaps. It's their product and they want it to succeed. That said I hate their dirty ways. I find it even morally wrong. How can "sudo apt install chromium-browser" not install the apt package but install instead a snap? How I, as a user and also as a professional, trust Ubuntu if when I use their package manager I'm being tricked? I don't use Windows for a reason, more than one…
What distro? I use Ubuntu because I just want an OS, not a hobby.
I've been using Fedora Gnome for a few months now and it's' been great. Updates frequently and nothing's broken so far.
Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap
#43Many applications packaged under Snap are still unusable on Fedora and Arch because Snap has a bug that renders tofu characters (□□□) instead of text:
https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snapped-app-not-loading-fonts-o...
I'm not sure whether Linux Mint is also affected by this issue, but it's clear that Canonical doesn't perform quality assurance for Snap on any Linux distribution other than Ubuntu.
Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap
#44I can understand Canonical pushing for snaps. It's their product and they want it to succeed. That said I hate their dirty ways. I find it even morally wrong. How can "sudo apt install chromium-browser" not install the apt package but install instead a snap? How I, as a user and also as a professional, trust Ubuntu if when I use their package manager I'm being tricked? I don't use Windows for a reason, more than one…
What distro? I use Ubuntu because I just want an OS, not a hobby.
If you have linux experience Arch Linux can be a good idea.
Sure the daunting setup process would fall into the "a hobby" category but once it runs it tends to just keep running as long as you update it from time to time.
Using it now for ~5 Years and in that time I had two times problems one was that the new kernel version didn't work with my laptop and another which was fully my fault by doing some "special" boot setup with some custom self written package and not maintaining it. Oh and the only reasons they where problems was because I never setup recovery boot or boot prev. kernel version.
Besides that I remember having more work with maintaining Ubuntu when I used it ~8 years ago.
Also disclaimer I had some more work like setting up edurom with network manager without using any proper UI for it (nmtui...). It's doable but not properly documented. But non of this is a problem if you "just" use Gnome or KDE or at last part of the tooling from Gnome/KDE.
EDIT: But Fedora is probably what you are looking for. Widely used, well maintained and normally up to date.
Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap
#45I've been using Mint now for several years and been satisfied with it. I was afraid that the Ubuntu's snap mishegas would force me to move elsewhere, but this is the message I was hoping to hear from the Mint team.
The Mint maintainer was really unprofessional in his announcement.
It is OK to feel strongly about something, but using words like `backdoor` is really bad.
With snap packages you get companies like Microsoft to deliver a native package for Skype, Jetbrain to deliver their whole developer portfolio, Spotify their music thing, etc. They can do so because they are basing the work in a common, stable runtime.
Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap
#46The main reason why I use Linux for some of my work is reproducibility. A docker image with the same apt packages installed in it will work the same every time. Snap breaks this. A snap package can update itself whenever it wants and then you the user are just screwed when things don't work together anymore. So in effect, snap breaks the main benefit of Linux for deployment and the reason why I use Linux in the first…
There are keys to control when these snap updates will happen, https://snapcraft.io/docs/keeping-snaps-up-to-date It is immutable systems that help you with reproducibility. There is no actual change between the snapd setup in Ubuntu 18.04 and Ubuntu 20.04. Where do you get info on unreliable docker deployments? It looks to me that the dislike is emotional in nature.
I use chromium and firefox inside the docker with selenium to automate website tests. So them replacing the chrome apt with snap was exactly what broke my deployment.
Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap
#47Hundreds of organizations, including ours, rely on Rocket.Chat for their internal messaging. It all went down when a release was pushed and snap decided to auto-update [1] I can imagine it resulted in a huge loss of productivity at all these orgs in the Covid era. Just learnt from this thread that apt-install will install snap! I'm running Ubuntu 18.04 + i3 (Dell Developer Edition) but will change to Debian. [1]. htt…
You can control when to update,
https://snapcraft.io/docs/keeping-snaps-up-to-date
Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
What distro? I use Ubuntu because I just want an OS, not a hobby.
Just use Debian. Ubuntu is quite literally Debian+bullshit.
My issue with Debian that I don't want a rolling release, and Debian Stable feels more like "Debian Obsolete" to me (at least it was years ago, maybe now it is different...)
Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
What distro? I use Ubuntu because I just want an OS, not a hobby.
If you have linux experience Arch Linux can be a good idea. Sure the daunting setup process would fall into the "a hobby" category but once it runs it tends to just keep running as long as you update it from time to time. Using it now for ~5 Years and in that time I had two times problems one was that the new kernel version didn't work with my laptop and another which was fully my fault by doing some "special" boot s…
Ugh, no. Manjaro is the no-nonsense "I really don't want to waste time troubleshooting my own shit" version of Arch Linux. I stopped using Arch when I found Manjaro and I'm so glad I did. Arch just requires way too much fiddling for it to ever feel "complete" and or finished.
Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap
#50I dumped Ubuntu over Snap. Maybe I’m just ignorant but it seems like allowing developers to push software updates without any review invites the same sorts of issues we’ve seen on npm, with very high risks for certain use cases. I don’t want that kind of relationship with my OS, forced updates are why I ditched Windows in the first place. Aside from the philosophical concerns I ran into a lot of glitches with various…
I dumped snapd because of the maintainers absolutely refusing to allow the users to customize the update schedule, or even disable automatic updates at all. Reading the thread with the discussion on it, seems there was real contempt towards letting the user decide not to update their packages.