V002 Camera Live – Zoom with Your DSLR as a Webcam via USB • Hacker News Board

Re: V002 Camera Live – Zoom with Your DSLR as a Webcam via USB

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Post by franga2000 » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 7:13 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #28

franga2000 wrote: post #13

Am I the only one with strong objections to using Zoom as a verb? Putting aside the fact that it's already a verb, which courses plenty of confusion, I can go along with using Photoshop as a verb, because it is objectively the most powerful and widely used tool with a very long legacy. But Zoom is a clunky insecure mess with impressive, but not nearly leading market share. Is this really who we want to be gifting the…

> Am I the only one with strong objections to using Zoom as a verb? People will use it or not use it regardless of objections...

That is neither relevant or entirely true.

I was not yelling "hey everyone, stop using this word!", I was asking whether anyone else sees the same problems in its use as I do. And even if I were, telling people why you object to something in hopes they agree and maybe do something about it is literally how discourse works.

Re: V002 Camera Live – Zoom with Your DSLR as a Webcam via USB

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Post by localhost » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 7:31 PM UTC

atonse wrote: post #10

tomatocracy wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Elgato Cam Link is worth checking out if you're serious about this - it's an HDMI video capture device which presents itself on the computer end as a UVC compatible USB webcam and will accept the HDMI streams DSLRs usually send. They're expensive though. There are other similar devices on the market too but not sure how good they are for this situation.

They're all bought out by price gougers. I've been trying to get one for two months but won't pay $400 for one.

If you’re using a PC, I bought the PCIe version of the camlink from Best Buy a few weeks ago without any problems (they even have it in stock).

Re: V002 Camera Live – Zoom with Your DSLR as a Webcam via USB

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Post by reid » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 7:33 PM UTC

ISL wrote: post #18

jeffmcjunkin wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Despite that list, it actually works against much older devices. I've ran it with a T2i, for example, which is like three generations older than they officially support.

Thanks -- I've been really bummed that they left 6D Mk. 1 owners out in the cold on this one. Does anyone know of a similar linux app that works over USB rather than HDMI?

6D Mk 1 works great with Canon Webcam Utility Beta on macOS! I'm using it now.

Re: V002 Camera Live – Zoom with Your DSLR as a Webcam via USB

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Post by StavrosK » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 7:35 PM UTC

LeoPanthera wrote: post #20

franga2000 wrote: post #13

Am I the only one with strong objections to using Zoom as a verb? Putting aside the fact that it's already a verb, which courses plenty of confusion, I can go along with using Photoshop as a verb, because it is objectively the most powerful and widely used tool with a very long legacy. But Zoom is a clunky insecure mess with impressive, but not nearly leading market share. Is this really who we want to be gifting the…

I genuinely thought this was about controlling the cameras zoom function remotely.

Unfortunately you can't do that, but you can do nearly everything else with Entangle! It's great.

Re: V002 Camera Live – Zoom with Your DSLR as a Webcam via USB

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Post by kbouck » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 7:36 PM UTC

tomatocracy wrote: post #6

dgorges wrote: post #4

> The camera sends the image used for Live View - the dimensions will not match the camera's movie recording settings. This sounds like a bummer. I want to try this anyways to give my old Powershot a new purpose. Did anybody check this out yet?

The Elgato Cam Link is worth checking out if you're serious about this - it's an HDMI video capture device which presents itself on the computer end as a UVC compatible USB webcam and will accept the HDMI streams DSLRs usually send. They're expensive though. There are other similar devices on the market too but not sure how good they are for this situation.

Elgato sells other capture cards (eg. HD60), which still seem available.

I recently bought a raspberry pi hi quality camera (and lens) to tinker with, and was able to connect it to my mac via pi->hdmi->capture-card to make a nice webcam view with the bokeh effect.

the total cost of this example does add up, but still cheaper than a DSLR setup.

Re: V002 Camera Live – Zoom with Your DSLR as a Webcam via USB

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Post by jrockway » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 7:39 PM UTC

franga2000 wrote: post #13

Am I the only one with strong objections to using Zoom as a verb? Putting aside the fact that it's already a verb, which courses plenty of confusion, I can go along with using Photoshop as a verb, because it is objectively the most powerful and widely used tool with a very long legacy. But Zoom is a clunky insecure mess with impressive, but not nearly leading market share. Is this really who we want to be gifting the…

I think you have to accept it. Zoom was in the right place at the right time. Now it's a verb. The good news is that once a brand becomes a word, it doesn't really mean much about the company itself. I blow my nose into CVS brand Kleenex. I have a Xerox machine made by Canon. I've captured many a "Kodak moment" with my iPhone's camera. Windows users routinely "Google it" by asking Cortana, which actually uses Bing. And I Zoom with my friends on Discord.

All in all, the COVID-19 pandemic has created a lot of strange victories. Would Tiger King, Animal Crossing, and Zoom have been popular if they rose to prominence at a different time? Probably not. I think the pandemic forced niche things onto people that don't normally encounter them. Adults have video conferences at work, but the pandemic brought them to kids. That is a recipe for a cultural moment and genericizing their trademark. (Animal Crossing I can't explain. I assume that the people that were going to play it were already going to play it, and I assume that the people that were going to reverse engineer the code to figure out how turnips were priced were going to do that anyway. But maybe not.)

Re: V002 Camera Live – Zoom with Your DSLR as a Webcam via USB

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Post by sambroner » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 7:39 PM UTC

kbouck wrote: post #35

tomatocracy wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Elgato Cam Link is worth checking out if you're serious about this - it's an HDMI video capture device which presents itself on the computer end as a UVC compatible USB webcam and will accept the HDMI streams DSLRs usually send. They're expensive though. There are other similar devices on the market too but not sure how good they are for this situation.

Elgato sells other capture cards (eg. HD60), which still seem available. I recently bought a raspberry pi hi quality camera (and lens) to tinker with, and was able to connect it to my mac via pi->hdmi->capture-card to make a nice webcam view with the bokeh effect. the total cost of this example does add up, but still cheaper than a DSLR setup.

Can you share more about this? What’s a capture card? And how did the latency turn out?

I’m interested!

Re: V002 Camera Live – Zoom with Your DSLR as a Webcam via USB

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Post by Ductapemaster » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 7:45 PM UTC

Please take care when using your DSLRs for video. Often the sensors are not adequately cooled for long term usage as a video camera (>30m). You have the potential to damage the sensor if it is not designed for continuous use and doesn't have proper thermal protection. Newer cameras will shut down if they get too hot, or have limits to how long you can run in video mode.

Stackoverflow discussion: https://video.stackexchange.com/questions/21932/can-continuo....

Re: V002 Camera Live – Zoom with Your DSLR as a Webcam via USB

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Post by stragies » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 7:45 PM UTC

kbouck wrote: post #35

tomatocracy wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Elgato Cam Link is worth checking out if you're serious about this - it's an HDMI video capture device which presents itself on the computer end as a UVC compatible USB webcam and will accept the HDMI streams DSLRs usually send. They're expensive though. There are other similar devices on the market too but not sure how good they are for this situation.

Elgato sells other capture cards (eg. HD60), which still seem available. I recently bought a raspberry pi hi quality camera (and lens) to tinker with, and was able to connect it to my mac via pi->hdmi->capture-card to make a nice webcam view with the bokeh effect. the total cost of this example does add up, but still cheaper than a DSLR setup.

If you use the usb gadget mode of the raspberry pi to present the PI as a USB WebCam, you can forego the HDMI-connection, and thus the need for the HDMI capture card.

Re: V002 Camera Live – Zoom with Your DSLR as a Webcam via USB

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Post by sdjkfgsdjkfghjh » Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 8:08 PM UTC

franga2000 wrote: post #13

Am I the only one with strong objections to using Zoom as a verb? Putting aside the fact that it's already a verb, which courses plenty of confusion, I can go along with using Photoshop as a verb, because it is objectively the most powerful and widely used tool with a very long legacy. But Zoom is a clunky insecure mess with impressive, but not nearly leading market share. Is this really who we want to be gifting the…

title is 200% wrong: its not zoom inc. Also, only works with Canon.

DSLR are a shitty closed market that prey on the few professionals that still need it. It's like the printer ink cartridge all over again.

Canon had the fortune of being "hacked" (to use proper legal terms after DMCA) and their cameras sales soared because of the free publicity and improved product. Now they are the only ones that maintain a modicum of interoperability that make projects like these a little easier (but still far from decent or stable). From other "DSLR but for now only cannon" projects: this will never support anything else.