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Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by heavyset_go »

dominotw wrote: post #19
rectang wrote: post #9

> But before action was taken by city leaders, Buffalo police lied about the incident. In an initial statement, the department said that a person was arrested "during a skirmish with other protesters," and that "during that skirmish involving protesters, one person was injured when he tripped and fell." The video clearly refutes the statement, showing that there was no skirmish around the elderly man, and that the of…

There is parallel with pilots and airplane crashes. There is a tendency for airlines to put the blame on a pilot in case of a crash, this disincentives pilots from speaking the truth. Unfortunately the 'anti cop' sentiment would have the same effect. Imgaine how hard it is for us to admit a mistake at work which brings the website down but here someone's life is at stake. What happens if a cop makes a mistake and cau…

Somehow professionals under the constant threat of malpractice lawsuits and criminal/civil liability are able to operate and flourish in their industries just fine.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by athenot »

mod wrote: post #38
tbabb wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plenty of departments in other countries do not carry guns and do their jobs just fine.

That's not evidence that it could be done in the US.

Indeed. It might be evidence that there are simply way too many guns in the wild in the US; and that statistically, the likelihood of violent conflict is therefore higher in the US than in other countries.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by ssklash »

footnipple wrote: post #5

First of all. Thank God for the police. Thankfully there are men and women that are willing to serve in this role because the Thin Blue Line is a very real thing. There is not very much standing between order and chaos, and after seeing much chaos, I choose order. Having said that, absolutely have a dashcam/recording device in your car. I do and it has saved me from getting a very big fine in addition to providing ho…

Or you could, you know, protest police brutality and misconduct and support police reform. Respect the reality that police are public servants, accountable to us, whose job is to keep us safe, and who have been endowed with great powers to do that job. The second they stop doing that job, they become incredibly dangerous because of those powers.

I've always been amazed at the law and order, respect my rights, follow the Constitution types seem to have so much trust and demand so little accountability from the single greatest threat to those rights, the police.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by cpeterso »

travjones wrote: post #4

Cops may ask you not to record and even threaten you with arrest for recording. Do not be intimidated; it is your right to record without obstructing. If you find yourself in a situation where you might be detained and thereby unable to control interactions with your device, on iPhone you can disable TouchID and FaceID by holding one of the volume buttons and the sleep/wake button simultaneously for a few seconds. Th…

The ACLU confirms what you say:

https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/1268588997829410816

"When you are lawfully present in any public space, you have the right to photograph anything in plain view, including federal buildings and the police."

"Police may not confiscate or demand to view your photographs or video without a warrant, nor may they delete data under any circumstances. Visual records are fully protected, but some states have tried to regulate the audio portion of videos under wiretapping laws."

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by Yetanfou »

tbabb wrote: post #32
chrisco255 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cops carry guns because the situation can always get out of hand. Violent criminals still exist in society. EDIT: the ignorant people claiming average police officer does not deal with violent criminals have obviously never worked as a first responder. They deal with rape, suicide, murder, assault, domestic abuse, robbery, every week unless they're some small town cop in a gilded neighborhood. The cops in St. Louis,…

Plenty of departments in other countries do not carry guns and do their jobs just fine.

Don't bring a knife to a gun fight. The US is saturated with firearms so it would be foolish for the police not to carry. In the UK the situation used to be different and to a certain extent still is, the police used to be unarmed (are they still?). It should be noted however that the number of knife crimes there is high - people tend to use the weapons at hand. This has led to a call for a ban on pointy kitchen knives, as if that would change much (if anything).

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by Jonnax »

martythemaniak wrote: post #42
pjc50 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They resigned in protest at being held accountable: https://twitter.com/DaveGreber4/status/1268977512320819203?s...

> I’m told the entire @BPDAlerts Emergency Response Team has resigned from the team, a total of 57 officers, as a show of support for the officers who are suspended without pay after shoving Martin Gugino, 75. They are still employed, but no longer on ERT They "resigned" but are still employed? It's not a resignation if you keep getting a paycheque.

It's like announcing you're quitting your job but all you've done is leave a project's agile squad.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by mitchdoogle »

chrisco255 wrote: post #21
cwkoss wrote: post #6

I think half of the police force should be 'armed' with nothing more than cameras. Arrests are not necessary in the vast majority of situations police are called for, and recording technology is far superior to verbal testimony for serving our courts

Cops carry guns because the situation can always get out of hand. Violent criminals still exist in society. EDIT: the ignorant people claiming average police officer does not deal with violent criminals have obviously never worked as a first responder. They deal with rape, suicide, murder, assault, domestic abuse, robbery, every week unless they're some small town cop in a gilded neighborhood. The cops in St. Louis,…

Bombs exist in society too. Should every officer be trained in defusing a bomb and walk around in a blast suit? No, because that's ridiculous and an uncommon situation. Just like the vast majority of police encounters don't require lethal weapons.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by 0xffff2 »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #34
travjones wrote: post #4

Cops may ask you not to record and even threaten you with arrest for recording. Do not be intimidated; it is your right to record without obstructing. If you find yourself in a situation where you might be detained and thereby unable to control interactions with your device, on iPhone you can disable TouchID and FaceID by holding one of the volume buttons and the sleep/wake button simultaneously for a few seconds. Th…

If told to stop recording, I'd be tempted to reply, "Sir, I am recording for your protection." Note well: I have not actually tried this. IANAL, and this is not legal advice. Your mileage may vary.

Why? What do you hope to achieve other than to possibly inflame the situation? I can't possibly believe that you think the cop is going to think "gee, that's a good point citizen, please carry on".

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by StavrosK »

Zenbit_UX wrote: post #10
CJefferson wrote: post #3

Anyone have any good suggestions for android recorders? Preferably something which will start uploading somewhere (dropbox? A server of my choice via ssh?) ASAP

If you install the Dropbox app there's a setting that let's you autosync your DCIM folder with the cloud, beware the data cost if doing so outside of wifi. Also, you may not want this setting on 24/7 or one day you'll be shocked to see what Dropbox saved on your behalf.

SyncThing is a great alternative that syncs between your phone and any computer you install it on (instead of some company's servers).

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by drewbug01 »

footnipple wrote: post #37
jakelazaroff wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is not very much standing between order and chaos, and after seeing much chaos, I choose order. The problem is that the police are causing most of the chaos. Looting has largely stopped in NYC, and all of the protests to which I've been have been entirely peaceful. But police still start beating and arresting people indiscriminately as soon as curfew starts — in some cases, even boxing protestors in so they c…

I respectfully disagree. I think the looters/insurgents are causing the chaos.

There is ample public video evidence, available practically in real-time, that disproves this point. I think a slight effort on your part to look at the evidence would dissuade you.

There has been looting, but to imply that protestors are "causing chaos" is a dishonest comparison given all evidence publicly available.

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