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Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by cpeterso »

pjc50 wrote: post #35
rectang wrote: post #9

> But before action was taken by city leaders, Buffalo police lied about the incident. In an initial statement, the department said that a person was arrested "during a skirmish with other protesters," and that "during that skirmish involving protesters, one person was injured when he tripped and fell." The video clearly refutes the statement, showing that there was no skirmish around the elderly man, and that the of…

They resigned in protest at being held accountable: https://twitter.com/DaveGreber4/status/1268977512320819203?s...

That tweet says they only resigned from the Emergency Response Team. They're still employed.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by martythemaniak »

pjc50 wrote: post #35
rectang wrote: post #9

> But before action was taken by city leaders, Buffalo police lied about the incident. In an initial statement, the department said that a person was arrested "during a skirmish with other protesters," and that "during that skirmish involving protesters, one person was injured when he tripped and fell." The video clearly refutes the statement, showing that there was no skirmish around the elderly man, and that the of…

They resigned in protest at being held accountable: https://twitter.com/DaveGreber4/status/1268977512320819203?s...

> I’m told the entire @BPDAlerts Emergency Response Team has resigned from the team, a total of 57 officers, as a show of support for the officers who are suspended without pay after shoving Martin Gugino, 75. They are still employed, but no longer on ERT

They "resigned" but are still employed? It's not a resignation if you keep getting a paycheque.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by oaue0823 »

throwaway9482 wrote: post #20

Next time I see the cops I’m gonna thank them for their service

I've made that decision myself months earlier, leftism is worse in my country than in yours.

Saying all are rapist because a person is a rapist is not ok, but generalizing on cops is pretty fine, that's what makes leftism an intelectual degenerescence - and I have 15 years of leftism action behind me, regret it a lot, feel kind of guilty about it even.

"ACAB", the slogan of fucktards, now replacing the ecologist bs on hn.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by neixidbeksoxyd »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #34
travjones wrote: post #4

Cops may ask you not to record and even threaten you with arrest for recording. Do not be intimidated; it is your right to record without obstructing. If you find yourself in a situation where you might be detained and thereby unable to control interactions with your device, on iPhone you can disable TouchID and FaceID by holding one of the volume buttons and the sleep/wake button simultaneously for a few seconds. Th…

If told to stop recording, I'd be tempted to reply, "Sir, I am recording for your protection." Note well: I have not actually tried this. IANAL, and this is not legal advice. Your mileage may vary.

If you say that, they might claim they took it as a threat and were scared for their lives and shot you.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by ryanwaggoner »

dominotw wrote: post #19
rectang wrote: post #9

> But before action was taken by city leaders, Buffalo police lied about the incident. In an initial statement, the department said that a person was arrested "during a skirmish with other protesters," and that "during that skirmish involving protesters, one person was injured when he tripped and fell." The video clearly refutes the statement, showing that there was no skirmish around the elderly man, and that the of…

There is parallel with pilots and airplane crashes. There is a tendency for airlines to put the blame on a pilot in case of a crash, this disincentives pilots from speaking the truth. Unfortunately the 'anti cop' sentiment would have the same effect. Imgaine how hard it is for us to admit a mistake at work which brings the website down but here someone's life is at stake. What happens if a cop makes a mistake and cau…

I'm a pilot. This isn't remotely a fair comparison. There are lots of very complex and nuanced situations in aviation that require judgment calls. People are going to get it wrong sometimes. We're human.

That's a far cry from this situation. There is no "judgment call" here: don't violently shove elderly people to the ground for no reason. If you accidentally do, help them up. If you pass by an elderly person lying on the ground and bleeding, check on them.

There's no "mistake" here.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by jakelazaroff »

footnipple wrote: post #37
jakelazaroff wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is not very much standing between order and chaos, and after seeing much chaos, I choose order. The problem is that the police are causing most of the chaos. Looting has largely stopped in NYC, and all of the protests to which I've been have been entirely peaceful. But police still start beating and arresting people indiscriminately as soon as curfew starts — in some cases, even boxing protestors in so they c…

I respectfully disagree. I think the looters/insurgents are causing the chaos.

Have you been out in any of these protests? I have. I'm not just repeating media coverage — I'm telling you what I've seen with my own two eyes, and what people whom I personally know have experienced.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by StavrosK »

battery_cowboy wrote: post #22
travjones wrote: post #4

Cops may ask you not to record and even threaten you with arrest for recording. Do not be intimidated; it is your right to record without obstructing. If you find yourself in a situation where you might be detained and thereby unable to control interactions with your device, on iPhone you can disable TouchID and FaceID by holding one of the volume buttons and the sleep/wake button simultaneously for a few seconds. Th…

Hold down the power button for newer Android builds and press "Lockdown".

I believe this might need to be enabled somewhere in the settings.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by schoen »

dominotw wrote: post #19
rectang wrote: post #9

> But before action was taken by city leaders, Buffalo police lied about the incident. In an initial statement, the department said that a person was arrested "during a skirmish with other protesters," and that "during that skirmish involving protesters, one person was injured when he tripped and fell." The video clearly refutes the statement, showing that there was no skirmish around the elderly man, and that the of…

There is parallel with pilots and airplane crashes. There is a tendency for airlines to put the blame on a pilot in case of a crash, this disincentives pilots from speaking the truth. Unfortunately the 'anti cop' sentiment would have the same effect. Imgaine how hard it is for us to admit a mistake at work which brings the website down but here someone's life is at stake. What happens if a cop makes a mistake and cau…

Maybe there should be a law enforcement equivalent of

https://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/

which is something that the aviation regulators created in response to some of the dynamics you mentioned.

(I don't know how ASRS authenticates that people making reports are really pilots or aircrew.)

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