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Re: Amazon refuses to sell book on Covid-19 and lockdowns

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After a half hour long conversation with my neighbor last week of him trying to convince me that Bill Gates is behind coronavirus, please, for the love of our future, continue banning information that is blatantly put up on a bad faith basis. It's exhausting to see my mom and dad succumb to a new conspiracy every other day. I don't see how else we can curb this other than for the tech companies to start aggressively…

I agree with the sentiment that we shouldn’t propagate disinformation as much as the next guy, but this is a strawman. Nowhere in the book does it say anything about Bill Gates behind covid, or any similarly ludicrous conspiracies. The book mentioned appears to be reasonable and fact based.

> fact based

Does it represent both sides of the controversy equally or is it only nitpicked facts?

Re: Amazon refuses to sell book on Covid-19 and lockdowns

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with the sentiment that we shouldn’t propagate disinformation as much as the next guy, but this is a strawman. Nowhere in the book does it say anything about Bill Gates behind covid, or any similarly ludicrous conspiracies. The book mentioned appears to be reasonable and fact based.

> fact based Does it represent both sides of the controversy equally or is it only nitpicked facts?

Are you saying we should censor information if it only represents one perspective?

Re: Amazon refuses to sell book on Covid-19 and lockdowns

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After a half hour long conversation with my neighbor last week of him trying to convince me that Bill Gates is behind coronavirus, please, for the love of our future, continue banning information that is blatantly put up on a bad faith basis. It's exhausting to see my mom and dad succumb to a new conspiracy every other day. I don't see how else we can curb this other than for the tech companies to start aggressively…

Lots of people are looking for any story they can find to make all this make sense. The stories they're hearing don't make sense and keep changing, too. I don't think doubling down on the parochial "we'll tell you what to think, you can trust us" is going to win back their trust or make them any more willing to embrace the complexities and uncertainties they face. It'll definitely confirm that there's "seekrits they'…

What stories don't make sense? A novel coronavirus caught fire in China, spread internationally, killed a lot of people, and some gov'ts fumbled the response and some didn't.

Re: Amazon refuses to sell book on Covid-19 and lockdowns

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I'm not sure who of the people complaining here are libertarians, and, to be honest, I don't care. Whenever this discussion about the power of platforms like amazon over our discourse comes up, someone dismisses it with the accusation that some libertarian somewhere is a hypocrite about this. So what?

Re: Amazon refuses to sell book on Covid-19 and lockdowns

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Never thought we'd see wide support for book restriction or censorship again. Are people not reading history or considering the second order effects? Heck, you don't even have to go back that far. Just look how badly "official sources" handled Covid-19. For example, remember what the official word was, even despite being a self-contradiction: masks don't work, but save them for health workers. You may say that's a no…

Free flow of information is not the same as misinformation. Lack of understanding is not the same as misinforming. I 100% support restricting distribution of material that is based on conjecture and bullshit info. Especially when that information comes with a for-profit motive. This person can easily put their book for free on their own website if they really feel they have important information to share. Amazon can…

‘who decides what is bullshit’

Is the usual problem with this.

Re: Amazon refuses to sell book on Covid-19 and lockdowns

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After a half hour long conversation with my neighbor last week of him trying to convince me that Bill Gates is behind coronavirus, please, for the love of our future, continue banning information that is blatantly put up on a bad faith basis. It's exhausting to see my mom and dad succumb to a new conspiracy every other day. I don't see how else we can curb this other than for the tech companies to start aggressively…

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Re: Amazon refuses to sell book on Covid-19 and lockdowns

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Declining to sell a book in a store isn’t “censorship”. The author could easily host the book on their own website. If the government forces them to take it down, then it’s censorship.

This is technically incorrect. You might argue that censorship is commonly understood to mean specifically government censorship. But censorship by itself does not have to refer to the actions of the state.

Re: Amazon refuses to sell book on Covid-19 and lockdowns

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First they came for controversial right wing views... then they came for Covid “disinformation”...

Putting the joke aside, I really think we are starting to see that once this door opens, it will only get worse. The pressure will increase to ban books and it will happen, whether or not it’s controversial or disinformation or whatever.

I can only hope this will be enough of a market opportunity that someone else can build a business to rival things like amazon.

Re: Amazon refuses to sell book on Covid-19 and lockdowns

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a conspiracy theory. It's a compilation of data that hasn't been widely reported.

The guy doesn't have a great record of being trustworthy. See https://www.drugpolicy.org/resource/letter-scholars-and-clin... -- a letter signed by over 100 scholars and researchers strongly condemning his previous book which says that marijuana is the culprit behind violence

The arguments against his book in that post are not particularly damning. More like par-for-the-course for pop science.

And it's not like academia is immune to this. Selection bias? Claims of causation? I bet half of the researchers on this list could have their work criticized in a similar manner.

>"marijuana makes young black people mentally ill and violent."

Interesting framing of his quoted passage. He doesn't say it makes "black people" mentally ill and violent, he says it makes all people mentally ill and violent. Whether or not that's true (I don't believe it is), that's a bad faith interpretation of his argument.

Re: Amazon refuses to sell book on Covid-19 and lockdowns

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Never thought we'd see wide support for book restriction or censorship again. Are people not reading history or considering the second order effects? Heck, you don't even have to go back that far. Just look how badly "official sources" handled Covid-19. For example, remember what the official word was, even despite being a self-contradiction: masks don't work, but save them for health workers. You may say that's a no…

In the history books, having a printing press was expensive and only a few large organizations could publish books. Now I can write a politics book with GPT2 and upload it to Amazon and it'll be listed alongside New York Times Best Sellers.

There were plenty of official non-American organizations saying that masks worked, they had years of peer reviewed studies to back their claims up. I don't think these books are upheld to the same rigor.

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