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Tear Gas Is Way More Dangerous Than Police Let On - Especially During COVID

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Post by Sevaris »

war1025 wrote: post #2

> Especially During COVID Public gatherings are supposedly extremely dangerous right now. The fact that everyone is suddenly all for mass protests suggests we got the severity of Coronavirus wrong and people are using this as a convenient out for backing off shelter in place orders without losing face. In February the "Philly had a parade, St Louis Stayed home" article was being shared by here and everywhere else. Fr…

It's not like you can postpone protests. It either happens now directly after Floyd's death, or another injustice goes ignored by basically everybody and police brutality as people know it continues unabated. I'm not really sure what you're saying here. It sounds like you're against protests and you believe Covid19 was totally exaggerated.

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Post by xwowsersx »

anigbrowl wrote: post #14
war1025 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> doesn't care if there's a pandemic or not There are many people that don't care if there is a pandemic of not. They were forcibly kept away from their jobs and families for three months.

Forcibly is being used rather hyperbolically here, don't you think? Some business owners that opened in defiance of local public health orders received fines or license suspensions, that's not equivalent.

It's hyperbolic in one sense, but not in another. Consider the fact that every law is backed by an implicit threat of force. For example, it's easy to say "I'm just asking for everyone to pay their fair share" when referring to taxes. But what happens when you don't pay your taxes? You can be arrested and jailed. That is underlying threat of force. Related: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_on_violence

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Post by minikites »

stefan_ wrote: post #39
war1025 wrote: post #2

> Especially During COVID Public gatherings are supposedly extremely dangerous right now. The fact that everyone is suddenly all for mass protests suggests we got the severity of Coronavirus wrong and people are using this as a convenient out for backing off shelter in place orders without losing face. In February the "Philly had a parade, St Louis Stayed home" article was being shared by here and everywhere else. Fr…

Is this peak HN? People are protesting outside at great risk to themselves because they secretly hated Coronavirus restrictions and want to party? What level of deranged unawareness would ever make you say that?

It's what happens when someone is privileged and insulated from nearly all consequences for their words and actions.

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Post by mindslight »

Every full face respirator you see riot (-causing) police wearing or holding has a P100 particulate filter and could have instead been used by a nurse, EMT, or an at-risk person for protection from COVID-19. And to have so many ready to go, the cops were likely just sitting on their stockpiles throughout that period of dire PPE shortage. If that PPE had been used for healthcare as it should have, the cops would have had to think twice before adding tear gas to the air during a respiratory pandemic.

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Post by alpha_squared »

agensaequivocum wrote: post #25
jolmg wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the point is that addressing police brutality is more important than stopping COVID-19 spread which is more important than going to work and visiting families.

Except you're still killing grandma which is just as bad as police brutality.

Is the argument, then, that protestors should wait until police brutality results in another death when it is more convenient to protest?

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Post by grawprog »

My girlfriend worked in eye care for years, she's seen a lot of pretty bad injuries over the years one of the worst stories though was a teenage girl who was pepper sprayed in the face at close range. It basically disintegrated her eye balls. One of them was nearly completely gone and the other one had about 30% of its tissue remaining. She permanently lost her vision and had to undergo multiple surgeries and rehabilitation for months. The damage was worse than a patient she seen who was shot in the face with a shotgun. His vision was able to be partially restored.

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Post by beamatronic »

war1025 wrote: post #2

> Especially During COVID Public gatherings are supposedly extremely dangerous right now. The fact that everyone is suddenly all for mass protests suggests we got the severity of Coronavirus wrong and people are using this as a convenient out for backing off shelter in place orders without losing face. In February the "Philly had a parade, St Louis Stayed home" article was being shared by here and everywhere else. Fr…

> "everyone is suddenly all for mass protests"

Do you have a source for this?

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Post by dominotw »

grawprog wrote: post #47

My girlfriend worked in eye care for years, she's seen a lot of pretty bad injuries over the years one of the worst stories though was a teenage girl who was pepper sprayed in the face at close range. It basically disintegrated her eye balls. One of them was nearly completely gone and the other one had about 30% of its tissue remaining. She permanently lost her vision and had to undergo multiple surgeries and rehabil…

any idea why this happened to her in particular. Was there anything special about this pepper spray.
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