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Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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Post by turbinerneiter »

thecleaner wrote: post #189
iagovar wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the DoD is behind a lot of stuff but they seem to get it right, unlike most EU countries with gov funded programs that are an absolute disaster. EU taxpayers consider unacceptable that govt funding goes to waste, but in the end gov funding goes to waster anyway because the amount of bureaucracy is staggering and we don't even get internal competition like the US. So we waster money and we basically burn it witho…

This is because most decisions in the EU are dictated by France and Germany. Germany for example is very hierarchical in how things get done and hence this is reflected in the EU too.

Not sure if if Germany is very hierarchical (not saying I'm sure it's not). I experience it as being very decentralized and as a collection of quite independent actors.

Granted, I never worked in a Volkswagen-style mega-corp, so my perception is biased.

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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Post by AmericanChopper »

baq wrote: post #154
AmericanChopper wrote: post #125

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This is basically the same line of reasoning used by people that say you could replace your corporate slack with IRC. Of course you could, but there's a good reason that people don't. If you just want to compare one VPS to another, the only thing you're comparing is cost and availability. But really there's many more factors that people are interested in considering beyond just that. Even if the only service you're i…

well, the thing is, if you literally only need one server, AWS is ridiculously expensive. the value proposition is just not there. you have to design for the cloud from the start to come out on top.

Well literally only needing one server is already a contrived use case. But if I was only in charge of one server, I'd still prefer to be in charge of one server on a platform that had AMI, CloudTrail, IAM, Amazon Inspector, GuardDuty, AWS Certificate Manager, CloudFront, AWS CLI, EBS, CloudWatch, AWS Config, ALB, Route 53, Secrets Manager, AWS WAF, and plenty of the other features that I might find perfectly useful in a one server environment. The value proposition of vanilla VPS providers is just "figure it out yourself". Deciding that a feature rich platform is worth the expense over a single product service provider is often a perfectly rational and cost effective decision.

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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Post by pmontra »

woodpanel wrote: post #191
mattlutze wrote: post #178

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But we are super proud of coining Industrie 4.0, so, that's something. It would be wonderful to see more free and open innovation and investment in a couple of bleeding-edge tech centers in Germany. A lot of the big internationals are in Munich and Berlin is slowly growing steam for startups, but it's a disappointment to me that there's so many Germans with so much wealth prime for investment and creating a culture o…

"But we are super proud of coining Industrie 4.0, so, that's something." Regarding Industrie 4.0: Currently at a client of mine, a "hidden champion" i.e. world market leader in industry XYZ (1.6B in revenue), I'm struggling to have them migrate from Cobol to Java. They are using their versioning system as a backup for their data, not for versioning the code. Deployments are done via dragging a zip file somewhere. Eve…

I understand why everything else is suboptimal but why do you want them to migrate from Cobol to Java? What problem is that going to solve for them?

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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Post by thiht »

thecleaner wrote: post #195
thiht wrote: post #138

I see a lot of hate in this thread regarding a disruption to US hegemony. I guess that's why we need projects like Gaia-X. I wholeheartedly hope it will succeed, and given the companies that are involved in it, I'm pretty confident about it.

I dont hate US hegemony. They are there because they got things right. American companies are more innovayive and fast paced than their European counterparts (assuming they even have counterparts). In general, I would love to have American tech culture with a European safety net.

> They are there because they got things right. American companies are more innovayive and fast paced than their European counterparts

That's naive. Europe simply wouldn't allow (rightly so) a company to become Google or Amazon. A conglomerate like Gaia-X seems like a safer alternative to US tech giants.

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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Post by Havoc »

WatchDog wrote: post #16
Havoc wrote: post #9

>One important concept underpinning Gaia-X is “reversibility”, a principle that would allow users to easily switch providers. Switching providers would imply some new tech or standard, no? A bit like docker is portable. Except for all parts of the cloud. So are they thinking a FAAS standard, a load balancer standard? Bit confused about where they're going with this

Build a platform based on open source systems like openstack and k8s?

Well that's kinda my question. Modern cloud have like 50+ distinct "things" in them. I just don't see how they think this can even be standardized without it being a massive standard. Specific areas are low hanging fruit - like you say k8s but what they're promising is a pretty comprehensive if you can move from one provider to another for your cloud needs

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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Post by thecleaner »

panpanna wrote: post #200
thecleaner wrote: post #184

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Tech salaries in Europe really are a joke. Even American companies don't pay well here because why would they, the market itself sucks. Combine that with easy immigration to US for Europeans and good affordable education it seems unlikely that talented people would choose to stay here. Part of the reason is the old money in this ecosystem. The problem with digitization in Germany specifically is that our paperwork is…

You can turn that around and say that companies get more for their money in EU. I mean, investor should like companies with reasonable burn rate...

That seems true. However it also needs to be considered that salaries shouldnt be so low that people just leave. For example consider Berlin, rapidly rising rent but not so much for salaries. So people just leave. In such a case you do get more bang for your buck as a company but theres a limit on how much.

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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Post by mattlutze »

woodpanel wrote: post #191
mattlutze wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But we are super proud of coining Industrie 4.0, so, that's something. It would be wonderful to see more free and open innovation and investment in a couple of bleeding-edge tech centers in Germany. A lot of the big internationals are in Munich and Berlin is slowly growing steam for startups, but it's a disappointment to me that there's so many Germans with so much wealth prime for investment and creating a culture o…

"But we are super proud of coining Industrie 4.0, so, that's something." Regarding Industrie 4.0: Currently at a client of mine, a "hidden champion" i.e. world market leader in industry XYZ (1.6B in revenue), I'm struggling to have them migrate from Cobol to Java. They are using their versioning system as a backup for their data, not for versioning the code. Deployments are done via dragging a zip file somewhere. Eve…

There are many billions of Euro worth of renovation, modernization and simplification in the Mittlestand.

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Post by mytailorisrich »

hydraxis wrote: post #158
adev_ wrote: post #35

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> France, Germany etc. are charging huge payroll, income and sales taxes to fund their huge welfare states and bureaucracies, but in the process ruining their competitiveness That's a common bashing legend that France/Germany are taxe hell and it is mainly bullshit. I am currently live in France with salary over 100k and my effective taxe rate is under 20%. Both France and Germany (and almost every European country)…

Are you including social contributions of employer and employee in your 20% tax rate? Because these are definitively taxes that should be included. If yes, I am really curious to know how this is possible

Really the only way as an employee is to have a family because income tax depends on household size. And let's remember that there is a de facto second income tax (CSG/RDS) on top of the income tax.

But this is a small part of the issue with tax. Regarding employment there are the taxes paid by employers, as you rightly point out, which make the cost of labour quite high in France, but there are also all those other taxes on about everything.

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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Post by Pedrit0 »

Europe has to start from somewhere in a market currently dominated by the US and the Chinese... This project may look like a joke for people in the Silicon Valley but everything we do in Europe looks like a joke for Americans. They laugh at the EU, at our spaceship program, at our industry, at our techs... Whatever we do they say we are old and finished. OK have good times laughing. Meanwhile we go on progressing. Discretly, maybe ridiculously, but we do.

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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Post by acd »

I hope Gaia-X will be built as an Open source project. Because of economics of scale closed source companies usually cannot compete with Open source projects. Meaning that open source projects can attract more developers from different companies and backgrounds than closed source. Plus if its open source everyone in the world benefits not just Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_scale https://opensource.com/article/18/9/awesome-economics-open-s... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_economics

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