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Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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If they want Competition to "HyperScalers" then why not just use OVH? Generally speaking, I dont think any of the Europeans have technical problems, I think they have a Product Placement, Marketing and Sales problem. And I think it is more or a cultural issue. ( Not saying it is a bad thing )

> If they want Competition to "HyperScalers" then why not just use OVH?

They do. OVH is one of the biggest actors in Gaia-X.

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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There is a really interesting discussion to be had here about if and what the EUs past policy failing was. Is the issue that they were insufficiently capitalist and drove all their innovators to the US? Is the issue that they let their markets too open, and should have copied the Chinese approach? Is the issue that they shouldn't be concentrating on tech at all and should be leaving it to people better at it than Europeans?

There is a real litmus test of something in the EU and their technology situation.

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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"repository of existing services and resources that are available in the ecosystem, including the capability to search this repository" Yeah I totally want to spend my time digging around in there for "which random company can I get a crappy version of AWS Lambda from?" I'm no fan of monocultures and US/Chinese influence but if they want it to actually work they could say "here's a terraform provider that figures it…

> Yeah I totally want to spend my time digging around in there for "which random company can I get a crappy version of AWS Lambda from?"

Or seen another way: "where can I get a better alternative to the suckish and overpriced AWS lambda, which also respects my data?".

Perspective. AWS is not the best everywhere.

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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Does anybody have any technical details to share about Gaia-X? I mean service discovery, interchangeable services/interfaces, etc. has been around since the SOAP days (~ 2003) at least. Cloud can mean many things. Does there exist anything at all or is it just talk at the political level atm? Do they intend to fund new research into bringing these things, or will they pick existing tech?

This was published today: https://www.ovh.com/blog/gaia-x-catalogue-search-engine-unde...

Apparently more posts are coming.

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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post #97
post #14

It's no surprise the French government is involved in this. They love these moonshot projects that aim to create the French X for any X that is a successful service by an American company. Qwant[1], launched as "The French Google" with a focus on privacy, serves 10 million searches a day (a ridiculously small number). No one has heard of it, no one uses it, and it's another project with a dream of restoring France to…

That's very true. Another thing is that it is not like EU is somehow very far behind the US in terms of services hosting or "the cloud". There is French OVH provider and there is German Hetzner. While the former has an opinion of being cheap but no so great (especially in terms of support), the Hetzner really shines. Hetzner does not have all the AWS like "cloud" bells and whistles, however their VPS-es and especiall…

This is basically the same line of reasoning used by people that say you could replace your corporate slack with IRC. Of course you could, but there's a good reason that people don't. If you just want to compare one VPS to another, the only thing you're comparing is cost and availability. But really there's many more factors that people are interested in considering beyond just that. Even if the only service you're interested in using is a VPS, using an AWS EC2 would have so many benefits over a Hetzner VPS that I'd struggle to list them.

Amazon, and Google, and Microsoft... don't win cloud business because people are dumb, they win it because they offer a better product.

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there are very capable and smart engineers in France I would not be so sure. I looked at the IT salaries there (both as a permanent and as a contractor) and it just doesn’t make sense to stay there when you could earn way more money elsewhere in Europe.

That's not how it works, not everyone wants to move country just for a (way) better salary.

There's definitely an IT brain drain in France due to low salaries, very few people of my former school actually work for a french company anymore, they almost all went somewhere else to get a better pay.

In the post-covid world of increased remote working, the brain drain will likely increase tenfold since developers won't even have to leave the country anymore.

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

France is #1 in the EU for public spending [1]. Deficit is within average and constrained by Eurozone rules (excluding the current mess). Money does not magically appear. As I said, taxes are many, complicated, and often useless. This of course overlaps with the issue of red tape but is an issue in itself. There is a reason why so many rich French people live in Belgium or London. There is a reason why when Peugeot m…

> France is #1 in the EU for public spending [1]. That's a well known overstatement that comes mainly from the fact Pension system, education system AND health care system are almost entirely state-owned in France. You can find the same pattern in some Scandinavian country btw, France is not an exception. > There is a reason why so many rich French people live in Belgium or London. You can say the same with British a…

It is certainly not an overstatement, and the issue of tax goes far beyond what you may see as an individual (for example, overall labour costs [1]). France is not an exception in its organisation, in fact its health care system is LESS state-owned than, say, the UK's. But it spends a lot, taxes a lot, and, to compound the issues, is not flexible.

You seem to actually agree that France has problems with its legislation and tax in the rest of your reply...

Edit: The graph that you posted in you reply below is obviously not the same metric. It states it is "general government" spending while I mentioned "public spending". But even so, your graph shows France ahead of Germany and the UK.

[1] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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post #40
post #14

It's no surprise the French government is involved in this. They love these moonshot projects that aim to create the French X for any X that is a successful service by an American company. Qwant[1], launched as "The French Google" with a focus on privacy, serves 10 million searches a day (a ridiculously small number). No one has heard of it, no one uses it, and it's another project with a dream of restoring France to…

On the other hand there's already some well established hosting companies in both countries. I would hope that this initiative will not be built from the ground up but capitalizing on that. Qwant is poorly managed, but that doesn't mean every project is doomed to fail. If you would judge Google success based on their failed projects, it would be the same conclusion.

Well but Qwant has its core product in its infancy, if they can't even manage that, you tell me.

The problem has many layers, Europe is not really united, which makes most markets small, the governments are pretty bad at managing investiments in tech fields, and there's not enough private capital going around pouring money into this.

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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post #41

Usual suspects, SAP and Deutsche Telekom, which shows the corruption of our elites.

SAP, for all its many faults, actually has some quite successful products. Australia's banks have been focused on replacing their legacy IBM mainframe core banking systems (stuff like CSC Hogan) with something more modern and non-mainframe. CBA went with SAP, and their project was very successful. (At least it appears that way from the media, and CBA employees who I've talked to tell me that it isn't just some good P…

Counter example: Lidl tried SAP and scrapped the project after they already invested 1 billion Euro.

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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American internet companies can address a large, relatively homogeneous market of 300 million people that all speak the same language. This alone is a big competitive advantage over any European company.

More than that, if a service is created in the US, then it's much more than 300mi people potentially using it.
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