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Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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Post by Tomte »

ahartmetz wrote: post #50
Tomte wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's strange about it? SAP and T-Systems are by far the largest IT consulting shops in Germany. Of course they get almost every huge contract. Now, I agree that a more diverse landscape in that industry would be preferable, but feigning surprise is not helping one bit.

The corona app doesn't need to be a huge contract. But SAP and T-Systems can sure waste a huge amount of time and charge a huge amount of money for it.

Everything the federal government does is a huge contract. Of course, in a hypothetical paradise it wouldn't have to be. But in the real world, it is. That's still no reason to be surprised.

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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Post by rswskg »

zoobab wrote: post #41

Usual suspects, SAP and Deutsche Telekom, which shows the corruption of our elites.

As a brit it is especially hilarious, they rail at american monopolies only to want to replace them with their german ones.

Yawn, laugh at the failures.

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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Post by ginko »

thamer wrote: post #14

It's no surprise the French government is involved in this. They love these moonshot projects that aim to create the French X for any X that is a successful service by an American company. Qwant[1], launched as "The French Google" with a focus on privacy, serves 10 million searches a day (a ridiculously small number). No one has heard of it, no one uses it, and it's another project with a dream of restoring France to…

Well yes, but sometimes this approach gets you things like Airbus.

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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Post by ryuukk_ »

thamer wrote: post #14

It's no surprise the French government is involved in this. They love these moonshot projects that aim to create the French X for any X that is a successful service by an American company. Qwant[1], launched as "The French Google" with a focus on privacy, serves 10 million searches a day (a ridiculously small number). No one has heard of it, no one uses it, and it's another project with a dream of restoring France to…

what a nice traitor, i bet you are proud of yourself ;)

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

thamer wrote: post #14

It's no surprise the French government is involved in this. They love these moonshot projects that aim to create the French X for any X that is a successful service by an American company. Qwant[1], launched as "The French Google" with a focus on privacy, serves 10 million searches a day (a ridiculously small number). No one has heard of it, no one uses it, and it's another project with a dream of restoring France to…

as for your link about OpenStack, was there anything in 2013 which would have been an alternative to OpenStack? If you wanted to build your own cloud infra back then this was the standard to do it with, no?

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Post by Rerarom »

thamer wrote: post #14

It's no surprise the French government is involved in this. They love these moonshot projects that aim to create the French X for any X that is a successful service by an American company. Qwant[1], launched as "The French Google" with a focus on privacy, serves 10 million searches a day (a ridiculously small number). No one has heard of it, no one uses it, and it's another project with a dream of restoring France to…

Also see Quaero

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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Post by realusername »

adev_ wrote: post #36
thamer wrote: post #14

It's no surprise the French government is involved in this. They love these moonshot projects that aim to create the French X for any X that is a successful service by an American company. Qwant[1], launched as "The French Google" with a focus on privacy, serves 10 million searches a day (a ridiculously small number). No one has heard of it, no one uses it, and it's another project with a dream of restoring France to…

Pretty good summary yes. The idea itself of supporting Europeans alternative to face American and Chinese tech giants is by itself noble (and I think necessary). However, the usual way it is done is a disaster: top-bottom, funding some existing behemoth company that will have no capacity whatsoever to innovate, nor will to do so. But they will get the money because they have good connections. If you think about it, i…

> However, the usual way it is done is a disaster: top-bottom, funding some existing behemoth company that will have no capacity whatsoever to innovate, nor will to do so. But they will get the money because they have good connections.

That's the tragedy of the government-backed tech in France. You also have a lot of very skilled tech companies there, but they are not the ones getting government support to grow further.

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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Post by tannhaeuser »

Does anybody have any technical details to share about Gaia-X? I mean service discovery, interchangeable services/interfaces, etc. has been around since the SOAP days (~ 2003) at least. Cloud can mean many things. Does there exist anything at all or is it just talk at the political level atm? Do they intend to fund new research into bringing these things, or will they pick existing tech?

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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Post by mytailorisrich »

adev_ wrote: post #35
ReticentVole wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USA Payroll tax: 15.3% combined, first $127,000 only (3.89% effective) France Payroll tax: 20% for salaries over €151,965. USA Income tax: 42%, including State (CA) and Federal, excluding deductions France Income Tax: 50%. So the labour cost will be a lot higher due to payroll taxes, and the employee will take home less due to income taxes. High VAT (20% in France, 8.5% in SF) means consumer purchases are also more e…

> France, Germany etc. are charging huge payroll, income and sales taxes to fund their huge welfare states and bureaucracies, but in the process ruining their competitiveness That's a common bashing legend that France/Germany are taxe hell and it is mainly bullshit. I am currently live in France with salary over 100k and my effective taxe rate is under 20%. Both France and Germany (and almost every European country)…

France is a tax and red tape hell.

As an individual you may be OK re. tax if you are married with children because they give strong tax advantages to those households [basically they count how many people live on your income when calculating income tax], which must be your case.

But overall tax levels are high, taxes are many and complicated, red tape works against you.

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