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Re: Unker Non-Linear Writing System

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Post by foobar_ »

atennapel wrote: post #10
foobar_ wrote: post #9

Programming is a non linear writing system. Now that I think of it ... if you replace functions names with logograms you get a top to down writing system of sorts.

Maybe a pure logical programming language such as MiniKanren can be seen as non-linear? There you just read in all the rules you defined and (I think) it does not matter in which order you try to match the rules when you query the system.

> Every glyph includes a number of binding points, one for each of its arguments, the semantic roles involved in its meaning. For instance, the glyph glossed as eat has two binding points—one for the thing consumed and one for the consumer. The glyph glossed as (be) fish has only one, the fish. Often we give glosses more like “X eat Y”, so as to give names for the binding points (X is eater, Y is eaten).

Seems so ... even in logic programming we have logic glyphs. Maths is full of glyphs with connectors, especially the integral sign.

->50 is sorta analogous to bank->withdraw(50) ... (HN seems to be removing emojis)

This makes sense ... is this how chinese words operate ? Its logical and it makes sense why early languages were logogram based. In normal languages like english it seems the "connection" points are separate and split into separate words.

Has anyone done research on commonly used words in code ?

Re: Unker Non-Linear Writing System

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Post by kbr2000 »

ShorsHammer wrote: post #8

Completely Offtopic: How does one get a single letter domain name? Especially with a premium tld, and even moreso for a personal blog it just seems unreal.

I guess like any other second-level domainname: Fetch your piggy bank, and then go out to look for it. Peculiar things that pop in my mind right now:

- given their length, know that they are scarce; you can expect that scarcity to drive the price

- some TLDs might have a minimum length for subdomains that are available to the public

- expect a lot of them already registered since longtime, or reserved by various individuals or organizations [0]; intuitively, the chance of those getting released soon feels slim

You can use DNS (check the dig [1] utility), in combination with WHOIS if you want to gather information. Or a website of a domain registrar like [2]. Keep in mind that you might be watched doing that, information that could be used to drive up the price again.

Or, if you really have good ideas, you convince one of the current registrants to use his domain (guessing here that a lot of those domains are not really in use).

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-letter_second-level_dom...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dig_(command)

[2] https://shop.gandi.net/en/domain/suggest?search=b.xyz

Re: Unker Non-Linear Writing System

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Post by eterps »

skoodge wrote: post #2

What a fascinating concept, especially this part: > We have only started to develop how to hold a conversation in UNLWS itself. As we currently have it, it's a very, very different kind of thing than linear atomic turntaking. Rather, it's a sort of ongoing mutual edit of a shared structure, where revision history playback (or live observation) expresses the 'conversational' tone expected by linear conversation, and t…

As this seems to mediate consensus building, this also reminds me of:

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/we-will-see-the-rise-of-civi...

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/taiwan-democracy-social-medi...

Especially having a global social media network with linear discussion maxed on 280 characters seems to be one of the most efficient ways to reach disagreement.

Re: Unker Non-Linear Writing System

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Post by joesavage »

skoodge wrote: post #6
joesavage wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's definitely an interesting thought. Max Krieger also explores this at some length in "Chatting with Glue": https://a9.io/glue-comic/

Thanks, that comic looks fantastic! Any idea where else these ideas are explored nowadays? I've seen that there are references to related projects mentioned at the end, but so far I had the impression that any research around hypertext (understood broadly) has pretty much fallen out of fashion in academia (and it sure doesn't help that hypertext is usually associated with the specific implementation of the modern web…

Glad you found it interesting! Personally, I get a lot of interesting information around these kinds of topics from Twitter. In addition to @maxkriegers, the author of that comic, I think you might find some value in checking out users like @andy_matuschak, @rsnous, @geoffreylitt, @yoshiki, and @elzr, as well as the broader communities that surround them.

Re: Unker Non-Linear Writing System

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Post by restalis »

After going through the phase of admiring this new and intellectually stimulating thing, I went on with an exercise of imagination about how it would look like for a society to have evolved somehow into using this at large. Each new word (or at least morpheme) has to have its own signature/ideogram that has to be learned and remembered. For a lexicon of any practical use that would mean thousands of ideograms. That feels quite a burden. An improved solution that I'm able to imagine just now may be to have ideograms only for abstract relations (like for prepositions) and keep "ordinary" words (as the nouns and verbs, at least) formed by a much smaller group of simpler constructs, like we do with alphabet letters?

Good stuff, nevertheless.

Re: Unker Non-Linear Writing System

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Post by andrewflnr »

restalis wrote: post #16

After going through the phase of admiring this new and intellectually stimulating thing, I went on with an exercise of imagination about how it would look like for a society to have evolved somehow into using this at large. Each new word (or at least morpheme) has to have its own signature/ideogram that has to be learned and remembered. For a lexicon of any practical use that would mean thousands of ideograms. That f…

Ideograms clearly can work, and pretty dang well, as demonstrated by ancient China. Some phonetic representation would be nice too. Either way, you'd likely see common structures evolving into ideograms. Very interesting.

Re: Unker Non-Linear Writing System

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Post by [deleted] »

restalis wrote: post #16

After going through the phase of admiring this new and intellectually stimulating thing, I went on with an exercise of imagination about how it would look like for a society to have evolved somehow into using this at large. Each new word (or at least morpheme) has to have its own signature/ideogram that has to be learned and remembered. For a lexicon of any practical use that would mean thousands of ideograms. That f…

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Re: Unker Non-Linear Writing System

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Post by ooobit2 »

chronikewok wrote: post #7

This reminds me of the film Arrival and relates to the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis [1]regarding how language affects our perception and cognition. It's certainly a very interesting design (there's a hieroglyphic electrical circuit quality to it), but it wasn't clear what we can infer or gain from this non-linear form of writing. I feel like non-linear thinking is naturally how our brains work (or has more potential to wor…

I believe that understanding relationships between units (objects, people, etc.) explains high intelligence, especially in autism, more than most average thinkers assume. People tend to fixate on the unit, and presume a relationship apropos between units. So, if we give core focus to memorizing the relationship then the unit, we may actually reinforce the neural pathways for both units and the abstraction between them without additional repetition.

My long-term memory is more efficient when I learn something from multiple angles. So, I don't look at basic algebra and just think, "X and Y are placeholders for numbers." I also think, "X can contain the value Y expressed as X=!Y." and "X can be a function of X expressed as X=X(X++)." and so on. This kind of ad-hoc modeling is about testing and defining the context of a relationship between units. And in that respect, I can say, anecdotally, that I consume information quickly and rarely have recall errors.

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