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Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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AWS/AZURE/GCP aren't exactly beloved by their customers, product quality is sporadic, domiciling things with the US is more questionable than ever before, and their margins are high. This seems like a great time for solid international (ie non-US) competition.

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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I don’t see how a government bureaucracy can compete with Azure, AWS, and GCP.

There were similar pronouncements made fifteen years ago or so about making a European search engine.

Is there a European search engine?

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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It's no surprise the French government is involved in this. They love these moonshot projects that aim to create the French X for any X that is a successful service by an American company.

Qwant[1], launched as "The French Google" with a focus on privacy, serves 10 million searches a day (a ridiculously small number). No one has heard of it, no one uses it, and it's another project with a dream of restoring France to its old glory by an old guard convinced that somehow their country is so exceptional that it can just launch any product and that people will switch to it.

The story is more sinister when it comes to cloud platforms. A government project to free its companies from American domination over this sector will typically involve a bidding process in which established and well-connected companies with a history of costly, slow, outdated tech will win the contracts through their political connections with no consideration for their capacity to deliver or innovate. MPs will make sure their buddies get the contracts. The kind of buddies that lead companies that have so little understanding of cloud technologies that they went with OpenStack[2] to build this new world leader in computing.

It's always the same thing. Old, well-connected companies like Bull that have zero ability to innovate and not a clue about the domain will rake in hundreds of millions in taxpayer money and deliver some garbage platform that no one will use except other government-funded moonshot companies. Always behind, always getting paid, never actually doing anything remotely useful.

Source: I am French. I know how this works, I've seen these ridiculous projects get political support and fail miserably due to corruption and ineptitude. This is more of the same.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qwant [2] https://gigaom.com/2013/11/18/a-guide-to-the-french-national...

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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I don’t see how a government bureaucracy can compete with Azure, AWS, and GCP.

Really? Typically the concern is that they can compete too well.

Can you point us to some examples of governments beating the private sector in software? I can’t imagine that EU governments can pull together funding greater than Google or Amazon tbh. Besides you then have to convince the private sector to move to your new unproven cloud platform

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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>One important concept underpinning Gaia-X is “reversibility”, a principle that would allow users to easily switch providers. Switching providers would imply some new tech or standard, no? A bit like docker is portable. Except for all parts of the cloud. So are they thinking a FAAS standard, a load balancer standard? Bit confused about where they're going with this

Build a platform based on open source systems like openstack and k8s?

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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Really? Typically the concern is that they can compete too well.

Can you point us to some examples of governments beating the private sector in software? I can’t imagine that EU governments can pull together funding greater than Google or Amazon tbh. Besides you then have to convince the private sector to move to your new unproven cloud platform

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Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? Typically the concern is that they can compete too well.

Can you point us to some examples of governments beating the private sector in software? I can’t imagine that EU governments can pull together funding greater than Google or Amazon tbh. Besides you then have to convince the private sector to move to your new unproven cloud platform

I wouldn’t read the lack of public investment into software as accidental. Just look how terrible investments like healthcare.gov are to see why: massive mountains of cash if you’re not a worker and no need to deliver anything usable. There’s money in not understanding how software works if you’re a politician or a contractor.

That said, I don’t think I have ever heard of governments releasing copyrighted, closed-source software, let alone trying to make money off it. That just doesn’t make any sense. I don’t see any reason why the lack of a profit motive would be a detriment to competition in the event governments do invest in free software

Honestly this seems like something a trade treaty would be useful for if it weren’t written by multinational corporations. Until then we’re gonna be stuck with really, really shitty decisions as individuals, like ios vs android.

Hell, have you seen any competition in software in private markets? There’s isolated pockets of competition in certain circumstances, but from my perspective the major markets all colluded to fuck us roughly the same ways.

That said, this effort will fail for lack of decent hardware investment to keep costs down.

Re: Germany, France launch Gaia-X platform in bid for ‘tech sovereignty’

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I wonder how much they will be paying their software developers. Right now, a senior developer that really understands cloud and distributed computing can make more than $500,000/yr at Amazon, Azure, or Microsoft. If they want to attract the talent to build this, they are going to have to pay a lot more than they are used to paying for software engineers.
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