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Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging

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Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging

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Post by spectrum1234 »

willio58 wrote: post #65
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #52

Seems like policy written by petrol car drivers and not well thought out. In the future electric vehicle world 95% of charging will be done at home, or in some facility near your rental building. Most EV drivers have no need to visit charging stations unless they're going on an extended road trip, and then we need a particular _kind_ of DC fast charging station. I mean... I have an EV and I could count on two hands t…

As an American, I'm jealous of this policy. If all gas stations in the US were required to provide EV charging, there would be a significant uptick in EV adoption. Even if they don't end up getting used, the value is in the peace-of-mind for people currently on the edge of making the switch to EVs. It's a great way to encourage EV adoption, second only to straight cash incentives. Another thing to consider is the ass…

As an American with an EV this seems out of touch. I've lived downtown and in suburbs and gas stations have never been nearby.

Street parking needs EV charging and gas stations maybe need fast charging but not normal level 2 charging.

Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging

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Post by Taniwha »

exabrial wrote: post #87

Why would you charge an electric car at a gas station? I thought the whole point was charging at home

not everyone can .... we just bought a new house, somewhere to charge the electric cars was high on the "must haves" but lots of people park in the street - a cheap way to install a charger outside your house (and to reserve that spot) is going to be important in the future

Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging

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Post by zizee »

rsynnott wrote: post #67
zizee wrote: post #9

This seems a bit unfair/cruel considering electric cars will probably decimate petrol stations. Most people will charge at home, or when parked at their destination (like work). Edit: Curious to know why this comment is unpopular?

Oh, dear, cruelty to BP. I think I’ll live.

Would it change your mind to know that a lot of BP service stations are small business franchisees?

Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging

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Post by 11thEarlOfMar »

def8cefe wrote: post #86
11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #43

This begs a larger question of how petroleum mega corps are going to weather the transition to electric vehicles. Looking at BP, margins are really poor. They have $22 Billion in cash vs. $11 Billion operating expenses and $24 Billion in debt. There is time: in March, 2% of new vehicles sold in Europe were BEV. On the other hand, the total spend on electricity per mile driven is 1/3 that of petrol. That means a compl…

Looking at just gas stations, they could spin it into a benefit since the customer will be required to stay at the station for a significant amount of time (~30 mins?) to charge instead of a few minutes. You lure them in with the electricity then push all your high-margin crap on them like drinks and snacks. It would massively increase foot traffic to quick-service restaurants, cafes and other activities on or near t…

It's definitely a business model to look into. And on primary highway routes, there would be some success.

The suburb I live in has about 50 gas stations for 200,000 people. I charge my BEV overnight at home and have spent at most $100 charging at paid stations in 3 years. (Charging at home is about 1/2 the cost of a charge station for me.)There is a major freeway through town, but the vast majority of traffic is commuters, who will likely also charge at home.

Some stations will successfully transition, and for sure, there will be solutions I can't imagine at this point. It will be interesting to see how it actually plays out.

Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging

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Post by elihu »

qayxc wrote: post #64
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #52

Seems like policy written by petrol car drivers and not well thought out. In the future electric vehicle world 95% of charging will be done at home, or in some facility near your rental building. Most EV drivers have no need to visit charging stations unless they're going on an extended road trip, and then we need a particular _kind_ of DC fast charging station. I mean... I have an EV and I could count on two hands t…

Most EV drivers have no need to visit charging stations [...] You do realise that we're talking about Germany here, don't you? You cannot apply US standards to a foreign country with 7x the population density and only a ~50% home ownership rate... The fact of the matter is, that half of German households cannot charge their vehicles at home, because they live in a rented apartment. In cities in particular (you know,…

> The fact of the matter is, that half of German households cannot charge their vehicles at home, because they live in a rented apartment.

Do apartments in Germany not have charging stations? And if not, is there a fundamental reason why they can't be remedied somehow in the near-ish future?

Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging

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Post by deelowe »

qayxc wrote: post #64
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #52

Seems like policy written by petrol car drivers and not well thought out. In the future electric vehicle world 95% of charging will be done at home, or in some facility near your rental building. Most EV drivers have no need to visit charging stations unless they're going on an extended road trip, and then we need a particular _kind_ of DC fast charging station. I mean... I have an EV and I could count on two hands t…

Most EV drivers have no need to visit charging stations [...] You do realise that we're talking about Germany here, don't you? You cannot apply US standards to a foreign country with 7x the population density and only a ~50% home ownership rate... The fact of the matter is, that half of German households cannot charge their vehicles at home, because they live in a rented apartment. In cities in particular (you know,…

OP said home, not house. This would include apartments.

Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging

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Post by monadic2 »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #52

Seems like policy written by petrol car drivers and not well thought out. In the future electric vehicle world 95% of charging will be done at home, or in some facility near your rental building. Most EV drivers have no need to visit charging stations unless they're going on an extended road trip, and then we need a particular _kind_ of DC fast charging station. I mean... I have an EV and I could count on two hands t…

Can’t speak for others but a) i have no way to charge my car at home as I have no dedicated parking spot, and b) i have no need to use a car for commuting or short distances because I live in a city, so this change might actually make electric viable in US cities.

Perhaps if you own a house in a suburbs and commute the same amount daily to a spot that also coincidentally has an electric charging spot your view is realistic

Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging

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Post by Barrin92 »

deelowe wrote: post #96
qayxc wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most EV drivers have no need to visit charging stations [...] You do realise that we're talking about Germany here, don't you? You cannot apply US standards to a foreign country with 7x the population density and only a ~50% home ownership rate... The fact of the matter is, that half of German households cannot charge their vehicles at home, because they live in a rented apartment. In cities in particular (you know,…

OP said home, not house. This would include apartments.

This is how a typical German residential street looks (https://reidiculoustravels.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/dsc_0...)

It's not really trivial to pack that full of chargers if you don't want to interfer with pedestrians or cyclists.

Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging

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Post by elihu »

willio58 wrote: post #65
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #52

Seems like policy written by petrol car drivers and not well thought out. In the future electric vehicle world 95% of charging will be done at home, or in some facility near your rental building. Most EV drivers have no need to visit charging stations unless they're going on an extended road trip, and then we need a particular _kind_ of DC fast charging station. I mean... I have an EV and I could count on two hands t…

As an American, I'm jealous of this policy. If all gas stations in the US were required to provide EV charging, there would be a significant uptick in EV adoption. Even if they don't end up getting used, the value is in the peace-of-mind for people currently on the edge of making the switch to EVs. It's a great way to encourage EV adoption, second only to straight cash incentives. Another thing to consider is the ass…

If this were enacted in the U.S. I would expect the parking spots with charge ports to be filled for hours at a time, using up parking spots for the convenience store. Not the end of the world, but gas station operators and non-electric customers would probably find it annoying.

Gas stations are setup to service cars in minutes; to re-charge a similar number of electric cars in the same time would require either new battery technology that can be charged at something like 30C or a huge parking lot. Having more chargers around is a good thing, but gas stations aren't ideal for more than an occasional customer. It might be good in rural areas though that wouldn't otherwise have any chargers, as a sort of emergency backup charging location if some unwary traveler finds themselves without enough charge to get to the nearest city.

Re: Germany will require all petrol stations to provide electric car charging

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Post by ceejayoz »

elihu wrote: post #95
qayxc wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most EV drivers have no need to visit charging stations [...] You do realise that we're talking about Germany here, don't you? You cannot apply US standards to a foreign country with 7x the population density and only a ~50% home ownership rate... The fact of the matter is, that half of German households cannot charge their vehicles at home, because they live in a rented apartment. In cities in particular (you know,…

> The fact of the matter is, that half of German households cannot charge their vehicles at home, because they live in a rented apartment. Do apartments in Germany not have charging stations? And if not, is there a fundamental reason why they can't be remedied somehow in the near-ish future?

> Do apartments in Germany not have charging stations?

The US is fairly unusual in its "for every apartment building there must be a giant parking lot" zoning.

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