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Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by fennecfoxen »

VikingCoder wrote: post #455
fennecfoxen wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have gathered here, by and large, to discuss and cheerlead a campaign which calls for political censorship of a major political figure, one who earned the vote of just under half of the USA. We assembled beg for a world in which a megacorporation will enact content restrictions, deciding what types of view are acceptable to express. The politician in question, far from offering a meaningful alternative that advanc…

Hi, you're bending the words "right side of history" beyond how anyone else uses them. So, don't be surprised if people have a hard time understanding you. You have legitimate concerns, but your phrasing of them is not easy for anyone else to follow.

If I am bending words, it is specifically to demonstrate how hollow they are, how readily the cause of History can be co-opted by the utopian rhetoric of strongmen and oppressors.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by VikingCoder »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #461
VikingCoder wrote: post #455

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi, you're bending the words "right side of history" beyond how anyone else uses them. So, don't be surprised if people have a hard time understanding you. You have legitimate concerns, but your phrasing of them is not easy for anyone else to follow.

If I am bending words, it is specifically to demonstrate how hollow they are, how readily the cause of History can be co-opted by the utopian rhetoric of strongmen and oppressors.

If people can't understand your meaning, because you bend your words so hard, that undermines your goal.

Cheers.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by fennecfoxen »

VikingCoder wrote: post #462
fennecfoxen wrote: post #461

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I am bending words, it is specifically to demonstrate how hollow they are, how readily the cause of History can be co-opted by the utopian rhetoric of strongmen and oppressors.

If people can't understand your meaning, because you bend your words so hard, that undermines your goal. Cheers.

As far as I can tell, you're the only one who has a material misunderstanding today.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by s_y_n_t_a_x »

volkk wrote: post #459
s_y_n_t_a_x wrote: post #306

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How about don't remove anyone or anyone's post unless it's illegal? Certainly don't target certain politicians while leaving others alone. When you can't win your argument on merit, you censor. It's up to the politicians and constituents to call out lies, why should some Ministry of Truth decide what's a lie?

i don't necessarily disagree, but what happens when other politicians/constituents aren't doing their jobs?

That's a hypothetical I disagree with.

Politicians will always address their counterparts and should always try to inform their constituents. It's up to the constituents to stay educated.

Censoring politicians because people might be too stupid is a really bad reason.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by VikingCoder »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #463
VikingCoder wrote: post #462

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If people can't understand your meaning, because you bend your words so hard, that undermines your goal. Cheers.

As far as I can tell, you're the only one who has a material misunderstanding today.

Cool, ignore feedback meant to help you communicate. Good luck with that.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by fennecfoxen »

VikingCoder wrote: post #465
fennecfoxen wrote: post #463

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I can tell, you're the only one who has a material misunderstanding today.

Cool, ignore feedback meant to help you communicate. Good luck with that.

Thank you for this latest feedback, just as condescending as the earlier feedback.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by artsyca »

zepto wrote: post #456
artsyca wrote: post #420

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Oh c'mon when someone rage quits in protest these corporations have safeguards in place to prevent rogue actions. I'm surprised they didn't trigger a visit from the thought police given the high profile and instead let a potential bad actor remain on the premises a whole extra week? And yes all our energies should be towards changing the organizations, as systems professionals, rather than competing on "look what I c…

Can you actually point to a success story in changing an organization from the inside?

It's already happening within Facebook this gallant lad falling on his own sword was an important motivator I'm sure

https://www.theverge.com/interface/2020/6/3/21278233/mark-zu...

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by georgeburdell »

hellomyguys wrote: post #315
georgeburdell wrote: post #295

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I admire Zuck more in this situation. This kid is voicing a very popular “unpopular opinion” in the Bay Area and will have a new job within the week, if he doesn’t already. Zuck, on the other hand, faces an open mutiny and a damaging of the Facebook brand. Perhaps he’s just stuck between a rock and a hard place, though, because Facebook censoring POTUS can only invite more government scrutiny.

Is it really more admirable for Zuck to do something that seems more in-line with business motives than anything else?

I don't think we know whether the threat of government regulation is worse for business than the threat of his employees quitting en masse combined with a mass exodus from his company's platforms

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by gfodor »

simsla wrote: post #432
gfodor wrote: post #279

It’s strange to me how the two things Facebook gets the most shit for, this and the Cambridge Analytica scandal, are far down the list of reasons that I see as reasons to abhor Facebook. In both cases there are sane arguments to be made in Facebook’s defense, unlike other aspects like their decision on their business model. However, if politics is what it takes for the exodus to begin, so be it.

Can you elaborate what you think the main reasons should be? (Genuinely interested.)

The creation of a nearly impossible to control machine that profits off of manipulating human behavior. A product with such toxic social systems it brings out our worse selves and divides us from one another, feeding into our base desires to read only opinions we agree with and see anyone else as “others”, free to hate. I could go on :)

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by VikingCoder »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #466
VikingCoder wrote: post #465

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cool, ignore feedback meant to help you communicate. Good luck with that.

Thank you for this latest feedback, just as condescending as the earlier feedback.

I meant it constructively. But I accept your criticism that it sounded condescending. I'll try to work on that.
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